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DrunkShogun
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(Today, 03:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by KO Traveling Hobo

My hypothesis for a post-E bad ending was 9S not waking up due to fucking off to outer space with Adam and Eve. Seems I wasn't far off.

That ending is kind of funny, though, in a Taro way. 2B stopped.

Stupid phone won't let me read the concert stories but guess I was right. Returning to a taro world can never end well.
spiritfox
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(Today, 03:46 PM)
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I'm not gonna read them. They lived happily ever after. That's all.
Ferr986
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(Today, 03:57 PM)
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So D is canon. Meeeeeeehh, hated that 9S was able to kill A2 (even if it's more about 2Bconsiousness being an idiot and A2 being even more of an idiot).
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(Today, 04:42 PM)
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Joking to wife during credits about the number of violinists in the credits: there's was too much violins in this game :)
During ending E: I FUCKING TOLD YOU
Ruff
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(Today, 04:50 PM)
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Yeah I'm just gonna let my headcanon override that... yeah.
ShadowSoldier89
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(Today, 04:51 PM)
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so that stuff makes it sound like its Post C though, not post E
wesStyle
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(Today, 05:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by ShadowSoldier89

so that stuff makes it sound like its Post C though, not post E

It likely has its own E(with 2B/9S reconstruction) too. But it is very different from what we got in the game indeed.

I love how Pod 153 says at the very end the same line she said after ingame E credits. But with this story there were no continuation and no cycle was broken.
PBalfredo
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(Today, 05:22 PM)
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Ending E ended with the question of what will our heroes do now on their own. Will they be able to break free the cycle of needless violence to find their own way, or not. But the concert stuff throws all that away and just says "Nevermind, 9S is still dead. lol"

Fuck that.
Antiwhippy
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(Today, 05:26 PM)
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Though isn't there going to be more stories in the latter concerts that is coming up soon?
LotusHD
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(Today, 05:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by PBalfredo

Ending E ended with the question of what will our heroes do now on their own. Will they be able to break free the cycle of needless violence to find their own way, or not. But the concert stuff throws all that away and just says "Nevermind, 9S is still dead. lol"

Fuck that.

I mean, the Emil Heads' weapon story already hinted that cycle didn't get broken anyhow lol
Antiwhippy
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(Today, 05:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by LotusHD

I mean, the Emil Heads' weapon story already hinted that cycle didn't get broken anyhow lol

I've always felt kinda iffy on that. Just building up a network doesn't really describe what the machine's motives are.
PBalfredo
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Originally Posted by Antiwhippy

I've always felt kinda iffy on that. Just building up a network doesn't really describe what the machine's motives are.

Agreed. All that really means is that the machines are not wiped out. Just look at the aquatic machines lore to see how dramatically things can change when machines go off the network. A lot can happen between now and them rebuilding a network.
Gbraga
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(Today, 05:38 PM)
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The game's ending is the game's ending. I also didn't feel like aliens and goth loli androids beint sent from the moon to fight them chapened Nier's ending.

He's probably already thinking about what's next, and how he'll connect it to Automata.

In that sense, ending D with the Leave option seemed like the most obvious choice to me.
Antiwhippy
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(Today, 05:39 PM)
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Also I'm kinda iffy if the concert ending is all that canon to ending E. The pods talk about the 3 android's memory leaking out. That means they restored them from presumably the yorha database, which shouldn't really be possible for 9s at that point if he did transfer all of himself into the ark?
DrunkShogun
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Originally Posted by Antiwhippy

Also I'm kinda iffy if the concert ending is all that canon to ending E. The pods talk about the 3 android's memory leaking out. That means they restored them from presumably the yorha database, which shouldn't really be possible for 9s at that point if he did transfer all of himself into the ark?

So is this concert story the one being performed on 4th/5th May or a separate one. Doesn't ruin the ending but bit of a pointless downer to add to the story.
LotusHD
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Originally Posted by DrunkShogun

So is this concert story the one being performed on 4th/5th May or a separate one. Doesn't ruin the ending but bit of a pointless downer to add to the story.

Sounds like Taro
Haly
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(Today, 06:13 PM)
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Fuck u taro fuck u fuck u fuck u fuck u
wesStyle
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Made a post on Reddit about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/nier/commen...recital_drama/
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Originally Posted by wesStyle

Made a post on Reddit about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/nier/commen...recital_drama/

Jesus lol this lore is all over the place.
DrunkShogun
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Originally Posted by wesStyle

Made a post on Reddit about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/nier/commen...recital_drama/

Can't believe they did that to best girlA2
avrophantasm
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(Today, 07:11 PM)
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Pod 153 is still being a jerk. You just don't throw your boy into a gutter somewhere just because he's dead. (comatose?) Negative brofists for you!

Also, I guess it wasn't enough for us to lose just 9S, huh Yoko Taro?

But.. if it helps any, I also believe this recital to be a continuation of Ending C where the Pods manage to put 2B back together, but A2 and 9S just die. (The pods didn't even think of putting A2 together in this timeline. Goddamn.) After all, the plot of this play has to do with 2B excavating the ruins of the collapsed Tower and the unfired Ark for a way to bring 9S back. (Death of a Wish. :( Sorry Tekken Twins. )

I guess it really is fitting for Ending C to be called Meaningless [C]ode. I always liked D -> E better.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing about the androids that formed project YorHa. Eagerly waiting for a translation of the 2nd scenario.
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Leezard
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(Today, 08:34 PM)
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Funny enough, rejecting these concert stories in order to imagine a happier conclusion after Ending E fits with the theme of Ending E.
KO Traveling Hobo
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(Today, 08:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by wesStyle

Made a post on Reddit about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/nier/commen...recital_drama/

Oh man, that post-E sequence from the strategy guide that someone posted is great. It's extremely cute and heartwarming, but it's also kind of fucked up how 153's goal, and 042 joining even though he disagrees, echoes the machine war and the cycle of conflict in general, and it could quickly become soul-crushing if they are practicing "good morning" for a day that will never come. So many layers.

I'm even more confused about the continuity of the endings now, though. The concert story seems to take place after D->E considering that 9S went through his final novel section, but apparently A2 wasn't restored, and shouldn't all the data be gone if the Ark successfully launched? The concert story was written by Taro, right?

Also, I wonder if "Jessica" is a mistranslation of "Jackass" or if it's Jackass's real name.
wesStyle
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(Today, 08:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by KO Traveling Hobo

someone posted is great.

Can you guess who that was? :D

It is most likely a C -> new E. All evidence are in my reddit post and in comments.

Also, I wonder if "Jessica" is a mistranslation of "Jackass" or if it's Jackass's real name.

I don't think that she is called literally "Jackass" in JP? I don't know actually.
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Veritigo_X
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What happens during ending C anyway? A2 hacks into 9S to "fix" him, Pod warns her that it is dangerous but she doesn't care, she makes her way to 9S's memory and asks Pod to "take care of 9S" after seemingly doing nothing to fix him, and then yanks on some light that brings down the tower.... uh what.
Son Of Sparda
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I consider all of other stuff outside of the story that is presented in the game itself, to be not canon. If Taro wants to destroy my hopes and dreams he has to make another game. I'm not giving him the satisfaction by believing those plays/concerts.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Originally Posted by wesStyle

Can you guess who that was? :D

Ha. Didn't notice that :P

It is C -> new E. All evidence are in my reddit post and in comments.

It's pretty shaky. 9S only gets the Ark choice in ending D, and the best hope for a happy ending was from C. In ending D, 9S is resolved to either die for his sins and to shed his burden, or he achieves enlightenment and fucks off to outer space. Neither choice comfortably segues into waking up and living happily ever after.

Ending C on the other hand doesn't put 9S in that position, A2 goes out happy instead of being murdered, 2B doesn't have to indirectly kill 9S again via the sword, and 9S doesn't cross the boundary of committing android murder. It's a much brighter ending.

Originally Posted by Veritigo_X

What happens during ending C anyway? A2 hacks into 9S to "fix" him, Pod warns her that it is dangerous but she doesn't care, she makes her way to 9S's memory and asks Pod to "take care of 9S" after seemingly doing nothing to fix him, and then yanks on some light that brings down the tower.... uh what.

A2 cut off 9S' replacement arm, severing the source of his infection, then uses his connection to the Machine Network to destroy the core of the Tower. Somewhere in there, she has the pod fly 9S out of the Tower so he doesn't get squished.
Veritigo_X
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Originally Posted by KO Traveling Hobo

A2 cut off 9S' replacement arm, severing the source of his infection, then uses his connection to the Machine Network to destroy the core of the Tower. Somewhere in there, she has the pod fly 9S out of the Tower so he doesn't get squished.

Ah, thank you. 9S being connected with the network makes sense, I didn't really think about that.
PBalfredo
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Originally Posted by KO Traveling Hobo

Ha. Didn't notice that :P

It's pretty shaky. 9S only gets the Ark choice in ending D, and the best hope for a happy ending was from C. In ending D, 9S is resolved to either die for his sins and to shed his burden, or he achieves enlightenment and fucks off to outer space. Neither choice comfortably segues into waking up and living happily ever after.

Ending C on the other hand doesn't put 9S in that position, A2 goes out happy instead of being murdered, 2B doesn't have to indirectly kill 9S again via the sword, and 9S doesn't cross the boundary of committing android murder. It's a much brighter ending.

Yeah, I'm confused by those claiming this follows ending C, seeing as how it also includes elements of ending D (and I also prefer ending C leading to ending E than D leading to E). Would it be reaching for me to think this is branching off of some new ending that combines aspects of C and D, where 9S is given the choice to stay or go, but the Ark is stopped regardless?
Ubernube
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(Today, 09:58 PM)

Originally Posted by PBalfredo

Yeah, I'm confused by those claiming this follows ending C, seeing as how it also includes elements of ending D (and I also prefer ending C leading to ending E than D leading to E). Would it be reaching for me to think this is branching off of some new ending that combines aspects of C and D, where 9S is given the choice to stay or go, but the Ark is stopped regardless?

It's possible 9S was conversing with the Ark while A2 was mucking about in his head, but since we're controlling A2 at the time we can't see it.
Philippo
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Accurate enough?

Gbraga
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Originally Posted by Philippo

Accurate enough?

Needs more Metal Gear

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