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Nev
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(04-21-2017, 11:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by ty_hot

A more intereting question would be who is the most famous WOMAN in human history.

Lady Gaga.

Virgin Mary.
Tence
(04-21-2017, 11:44 AM)
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Somebody should start a thread about historical Jesus, because it is actually kind of interesting. It seems a rather controversial topic tbh. Some of the sources in this topic seem to be very influenced by who writes about it.
Like for instance in that Guardian article the writer says their is an abundance of written proof including Josephus, although some of his texts might be altered a bit.
The Wiki article on the other hand states out loud that the paragraphs on Jesus in Josephus' work were added centuries later and clearly false.
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(04-21-2017, 11:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by hobblygobbly

Religion: Jesus
Politics: Adolf Hitler
Science: Einstein
Sport: Pelé or Cristiano Ronaldo... I'm not sure which one, but definitely someone from football (soccer), it is by far the most played and followed sport globally for generations.
Music: Bach (or Beethoven/Mozart, tough call)
Literature: Shakespeare
Philosophy: Karl Marx

I think philosophy is more likely to be Aristotle or even Plato.
MilkyJoe
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Originally Posted by Kyzer

Theres lots of historical evidence to back up Jesus and Mohammed existing. Theres just no evidence that they were anything more than normal humans. Pretty sure Jesus was just a prominent and controversial political figure in his time.

Or the result of a tall tale that's got out of hand, laid down by a promiscuous Mary of Nazareth...
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(04-21-2017, 11:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by ty_hot

Nowadays it should be something similar, Jesus - Obama (Trump doesnt have enough exposure time for foreigners) - Cristiano Ronaldo (more of a marketing guy than Messi). I would even argue that Ronaldinho could be near the top as well.

I don't think people are interested in football as much as you would hope they would be :D

Personally I have no idea what Ronaldo looks like. And even less of an idea of what Ronaldinho looks like. I know their names though and know they play football.
But what do I know. Maybe they are known to all and I've just been dropped from the wagon. I mean, I once saw a person who didn't know who Bono and U2 was. Didn't even know them by their name. I guess there must be some very super famous people I'm as ignorant about as that person was.


A more intereting question would be who is the most famous WOMAN in human history.

Mary, the mother of Jesus? lol :D


Maybe Cleopatra? I mean, that's something I could imagine people would easily be able to say if they'd been shown certain pictures.
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(04-21-2017, 11:50 AM)
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Mary
Cleopatra
Queen Victoria
Marie Antoinette
Marie Curie
Imelda Marcos
Maggie Thatcher at one point?
Eidan
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(04-21-2017, 11:54 AM)
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Jesus if we're counting real people. Harry Potter if we're counting fictional ones.
Skux
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(04-21-2017, 11:55 AM)
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Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

It's not even close, guys. People all over the world have no idea who Beyonce and Ronaldo are. Everywhere from Africa to Europe to the Americas and most parts of Asia have heard of Jesus.
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I also dislike graphic novels, bus stops, maps, reading for kids, classical music, board games, opera, art, and geiger counters.
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How many people were on earth when jesus was alive? He was probably the biggest cult leader
xevis
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(04-21-2017, 11:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Skux

Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

It's not even close, guys. People all over the world have no idea who Beyonce and Ronaldo are. Everywhere from Africa to Europe to the Americas and most parts of Asia have heard of Jesus.

Why would people from a non Judeo-Christian-Muslim background know about Jesus? Popstars and sports figures transcend religion.
Prototype Viktor
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(04-21-2017, 12:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cindi Mayweather

Einstein was a deist who used science to help explain the divine.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Furthermore, those figures you mention touch upon basic truths of the human condition, especially Jesus and Buddha.

Your adherence to science is anti-intellectual and the fact you think science and religion is either/or is juvenile.

Not everyone shook brainwashing
Else there wouldn't have been all those enemas back then
Or falling back to religion when they couldn't find a answer
MilkyJoe
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(04-21-2017, 12:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by xevis

Why would people from a non Judeo-Christian-Muslim background know about Jesus? Popstars and sports figures transcend religion.

Don't be daft. It's Jesus H Christ not Saint Hubbins
Eidan
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(04-21-2017, 12:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by xevis

Why would people from a non Judeo-Christian-Muslim background know about Jesus? Popstars and sports figures transcend religion.

This should be nominated for GAF-iest post of the year.
bwahhhhh
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although I wouldn't say he was the most famous ever, of recent figures Pope JP2 has to be up there. was pope nearly 30 years and travelled seemingly everywhere in that time, to places/populations that weren't well tech/tv connected too. lived through the first 10 years of the the WWW, and him dying and the replacement process was on the news for seemingly ages.

he only died in 2005, for some reason it feels a lot longer than that. (probably because we're already on our 2nd Pope after him)
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(04-21-2017, 12:07 PM)
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Spaced Harrier
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(04-21-2017, 12:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Eidan

This should be nominated for GAF-iest post of the year.

Seconded
Hollywood Duo
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(04-21-2017, 12:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dantooine

Ok, if Jesus and Mohammed are allowed I'll throw in Darth Vader, or Father Christmas.

Michael Jackson might actually take it over Hitler.

Lmao so edgy. Muhammad wasn't even a supernatural figure and there is tons of historical evidence for him. Tell me how/why he is fake?

Originally Posted by Patrick S.

Jeanne D'arc or Marie Curie?

Queen Victoria or Elizabeth of England would be my picks.
Last edited by Hollywood Duo; 04-21-2017 at 12:10 PM.
Kill Your Masters
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(04-21-2017, 12:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by xevis

Why would people from a non Judeo-Christian-Muslim background know about Jesus? Popstars and sports figures transcend religion.

Simple actually, what year is it now?

It's not 4.something billion in our calendars, it's 2017. We are counting from a specific event in time.
Last edited by Kill Your Masters; 04-21-2017 at 12:14 PM.
Count Dookkake
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(04-21-2017, 12:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by MilkyJoe

Or the result of a tall tale that's got out of hand, laid down by a promiscuous Mary of Nazareth...

Joseph was the OG cuck.

"She said god did it, so I should believe her."
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(04-21-2017, 12:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by xevis

Why would people from a non Judeo-Christian-Muslim background know about Jesus? Popstars and sports figures transcend religion.

This is silly, you don't have to be religious to know who Jesus and Mohammed are. Show a man on a cross to literally anyone in the world and they will know it's Jesus. Lots of people have no interest in pop music and sports.
Marauder Shields
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(04-21-2017, 12:16 PM)
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Is Cristiano Ronaldo even the most famous Ronaldo?
Hollywood Duo
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(04-21-2017, 12:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Marauder Shields

Is Cristiano Ronaldo even the most famous Ronaldo?

No that's Ronaldinho
Roufianos
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(04-21-2017, 12:16 PM)
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Hitler.

I think Alexander is more famous than Caesar, I mean you don't have any countries fabricating history to try and claim descent from Caesar.
Frankfurter
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(04-21-2017, 12:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hellraizer

Simple actually, what year is it now?

It's not 4.something billion in our calendars, it's 2017. We are counting from a specific event in time.

You know that not all countries do it this way?
Kill Your Masters
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(04-21-2017, 12:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Frankfurter

You know that not all countries do it this way?

I am aware that there is the Hijri and Islamic calendar and many other, and some countries use these, but most countries are on Gregorian time, arent they?
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(04-21-2017, 12:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hellraizer

I am aware that there is the Hijri and Islamic calendar and many other, and some countries use these, but most countries are on Gregorian time, arent they?

Western countries but the majority of the worlds population is in the East.
Mumei
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(04-21-2017, 12:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cocaloch

I mean you can distinguish even within that group. I know for a fact some university students at a pretty respectable American institution don't know who Lincoln is. I imagine it's much worse elsewhere. Yet I have a feeling every single student at that university knows who Jesus is. Especially since a number of those have much heavier national/cultural associations.

I confess that even as I was adding him to the list, I suspected that I was stretching things by including him.
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(04-21-2017, 12:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

Western countries but the majority of the worlds population is in the East.

So what do China and Japan use? I know Indonesia primarily uses the Gregorian calendar/years.

Edit: Never mind. The Gregorian calendar is the de facto international standard and only a few countries use a different one.
Last edited by Tence; 04-21-2017 at 12:26 PM.
Cromat
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(04-21-2017, 12:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by ty_hot

A more intereting question would be who is the most famous WOMAN in human history.

Madonna would be my first guess.
Bolivar687
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(04-21-2017, 12:26 PM)
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It's heartbreaking that anyone could think it's even a debate.
pathf1nder
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(04-21-2017, 12:27 PM)
God
KyleCross
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(04-21-2017, 12:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by pathf1nder

God

Who's that, might I ask?
Coxy100
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(04-21-2017, 12:35 PM)
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Hitler
IbukiLordSA
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(04-21-2017, 12:37 PM)
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Superman, easily, everyone knows Superman.
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(04-21-2017, 12:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hellraizer

Simple actually, what year is it now?

It's not 4.something billion in our calendars, it's 2017. We are counting from a specific event in time.

You do know the Christian calendar isn't used by everyone right?
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(04-21-2017, 12:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by efyu_lemonardo

You do know the Christian calendar isn't used by everyone right?

No but by ALMOST everyone. There are four countries that don't use it and a couple of countries that use another calendar on the side.
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(04-21-2017, 12:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by efyu_lemonardo

You do know the Christian calendar isn't used by everyone right?



Yes, 5 do not use it at all. And for Islamic countries the point of knowing Jesus still stands with or without counting from AD.

The rest of us use Gregorian as "civil calendar" or at least alongside the "local" one.
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Originally Posted by Tence

No but by ALMOST everyone. There are four countries that don't use it and a couple of countries that use another calendar on the side.

Originally Posted by Hellraizer



Yes, 5 do not use it at all. And for Islamic countries the point of knowing Jesus still stands with or without counting from AD.

The rest of us use Gregorian as "civil calendar" or at least alongside the "local" one.

Thanks for the info!
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(04-21-2017, 12:49 PM)
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MilkyJoe
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Originally Posted by Count Dookkake

Joseph was the OG cuck.

"She said god did it, so I should believe her."

And I don't even feel bad, because if Jesus and the whole fable is true, then by modern standards it's the most logical truth. "The simplest explanation is usually the truth"
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(04-21-2017, 12:52 PM)
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Gotta be Hitler. Who doesn't know that dude?
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Surely just playing the numbers game it'll be someone that all Chinese / Indian people will know about, like Chairman Mao or Ghandi
LInkash
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(04-21-2017, 12:54 PM)
David Beckham is a very good shout.

He's very well known in the US

He's very well known in the countries where football (soccer) is popular which is much of the world. Messi is not that well known outside people who have zero interest in football. I hate to generalise but to give a broad example, a lot women won't have any idea who Messi is but Beckham, absolutely.

Thirdly and very importantly, he's very well known in Asia.

Look at this map to see where where the most people live: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mo...N3gfTXv7trGlM:
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Originally Posted by LInkash

David Beckham is a very good shout.

He's very well known in the US

He's very well known in the countries where football (soccer) is popular which is much of the world. Messi is not that well known outside people who have zero interest in football. I hate to generalise but to give a broad example, a lot women won't have any idea who Messi is but Beckham, absolutely.

Thirdly and very importantly, he's very well known in Asia.

His star is already rapidly fading though. Nobody gives a shit about Becks or Posh anymore.
People will have long forgotten him before they forget Jesus or Hitler.
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Originally Posted by Marauder Shields

Is Cristiano Ronaldo even the most famous Ronaldo?

His mother named him after Ronald Reagan. So Cristiano is Ronald Reagan.
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Originally Posted by Tence

So what do China and Japan use? I know Indonesia primarily uses the Gregorian calendar/years.

Edit: Never mind. The Gregorian calendar is the de facto international standard and only a few countries use a different one.

Originally Posted by efyu_lemonardo

You do know the Christian calendar isn't used by everyone right?

The gregorian calendar is used in a lot of countries nowadays, it sort of became the standard because of trade and whatnot. However that doesn't mean everyone that uses the calendar knows the reason why we are in 2017, as I have posted before in Japan and China they don't refer to 2017 AD but more of 2017 in the western calendar. I guess most of us here in GAF know about the existence of chinese or hebrew calendar, but have you ever bothered to know when they started counting and the reason why they chose their year 1?
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Actually I'd like to see evidence that the average person in Africa and Asia knows or even cares why the internationally accepted calendar year is 2017.
They could be familiar with the calendar without having ever heard of Jesus.
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Originally Posted by manueldelalas

When you look for historicity, you not only search for what is written, you also look for what isn't written.

You know what isn't written about Jesus? Texts that contradict those that are written, remotely near the time they were written.

Jesus is a historical figure, and we are much more sure of this than most other famous historical figures at the time.

There is also the things that were written. If you were inventing or creating a fictional character Son of God, you don't write stuff like his baptism, that he kicked some merchants out of some temple, or that he was crucified and died. He wouldn't have need a baptism, he would be a pacifist and went straight to heaven in a fire carriage or something.

The only problem historians face when determining the life of Jesus, is that there is too much written about him, whereas most historical characters have too little written about them.

This is as far as I know one of the most common arguments in favor of Jesus existing as far as I know; the fact that some parts of the Bible make Jesus look "bad" and hence are probably true since his followers wouldn't want to make him look bad.

However, that seems at odds with the values that Catholicism (supposedly) teaches. I was raised by a Catholic mother in a Catholic country, went to Catholic school, the whole nine yards. Humility and self-sacrifice are important values of Catholicism as I was taught it, so making Jesus look humble and making him die in the most excruciating (pun intended) way possible seems to agree with those values.

Note that I don't mean to prove you, or hundreds of scholars wrong with just my own personal experience with Catholicism. It's just odd to me how that theory seems to contradict what I've been taught.
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Jesus
Hitler
Einstein
Da Vinci
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