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WhereAreMahDragonz
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(05-18-2017, 06:06 AM)
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This debate between Sawneeks and Natiko has a lot of words and little content

giving me town vs town vibes
hey_monkey
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(05-18-2017, 06:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by StanleyPalmtree

everyone, its oh-kay. you can stop panicking, call back the search parties, get my face of the mil cartons, and HeyMonkey can stop voting m- oh hey she already has how nice.

Hi, Stanley! Glad to see you've made it. We didn't have much direct interaction in anime but I had good feelings about you.

Originally Posted by Sawneeks

06. [f] hey_monkey - EST
- You mention towards Day End you're going to reevaluate the thread and look for those who aren't 'scum hunting'. Is there anyone currently you feel falls into that hole? Other than those who haven't posted at all, obviously. Also you mentioned feeling worried about giving your full thoughts because it might lead people to 'tunnel' on you. Which do you feel is better for a Townie to do: Give your full thoughts so they may be used later after your lynch/death or keeping things hidden that may be controversial in order to stay alive?

Much to say here. Thanks for your extensive post, btw - we need this kinda content to keep discussion going.

First, re: scum hunting: yeah, I think there are a few people who aren't doing much but being visible right now. They're "active" but have they contributed anything? Some it's a matter of just popping in and then not coming back yet, like Lifeline, SexyFish, and to a lesser degree acohrs. Not much to tell there yet. Some are mostly just commenting on flavor or other people's comments in a jokey way, like BB and 30years. Maybe they'll switch now that we're in the second half of the first day phase. Maybe they won't.

I think the newbies Moonkid and isaacnukem are having a harder time finding their feed because we were slow so I hope activity ramps up for their sakes. And it IS a matter of activity, because there have been events and interactions very worth commenting on. I mean, I know folks got shit to do out in the wide world, but mafia runs on participation.

Second, re: tunneling: It's not so much that I worry that I'll get tunneled on for my Palmer thoughts, but that we might fixate in general. I think you're conflating my responses on that, but that's probably my fault for not being clear regarding which things were my reactions to how I went down in anime and my concerns here regarding Palmer, so I'll go ahead and outline them, partially because it looks like it's not going in the direction that concerned me (and because Palmer is still here - hi, Palmer!) in a reduced capacity, and I was most worried about what might happen in a Palmer absence):

My biggest concern was that, lacking other information that might move the game forward, someone would start a lynch train on Palmer since he’s either safe-ish because self-claimed no PR and so if they’re wrong and we mislynch, as it likely on d1 anyway, we don't lose anything in terms of PR. And if such a train happened to be right, and he lied, we nail scum or neutral.

But I could also see, if such a train started, someone else saying wait! Palmer is away past the end of the day phase, so we shouldn’t lynch him since he can’t defend himself! Then we spend time arguing this (instead of any other things that might come up, as we tend to fixate) and maybe we lynch or maybe we don’t, but we don’t hunt scum unless scum does something obvious during that discussion. That's my concern and why I was hesitant to even say much in case in saying it, I caused it. Also, I think Palmer is pretty useful to keep around generally; he will inspire interaction. This doesn't mean I trust him. I just means he gets people talking.

This is all of course super what-if and I don’t know how role madness usually goes (watching Arkham but have never played it) so maybe it’s just random paranoia, but d1 is such a crapshoot. The thing is, I believe Palmer is more than clever enough to have also considered possible fallout from his claim. Dragonz called him “appeasing” and I’ll go one better: he’s being super helpful, explaining the game, posting info, offering tips, and then claiming and saying if he were us, he’d want that counterclaim if there is one

Is he being a standout townie, knowing he’s leaving, knowing there’s new people in role madness who may need the help? Or is he playing an elaborate game of distraction and using the fact that he’s going to be away to get to day 2 in order to guarantee at least one use of some weird night action? If it's some weird gambit, I'd expect it to be that.
oreomunsta
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(05-18-2017, 07:07 AM)
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I'm not really reading Palmer's claim as scummy, so I wouldn't consider him an issue for Town at the moment. If he was Godfather, it just wouldn't make sense to put himself in the spotlight at all. The sweet spot for such a role would be somewhere in between moderately active and frontrunner in conversation.

I wouldn't push for a Palmer lynch on this day, but would keep a closer eye on him for choosing a relatively bold move on D1.

To be honest, I don't have many leads that I would feel confident in pursuing :S could just be part of the game when it comes to D1, and most things are speculation. Let's keep this thread going, though.

Thanks to all the players who are significantly contributing so far!
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(05-18-2017, 07:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Swamped

So there are about 3 pages of posts now (once the game started) who is stirring the pot in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Sawneeks

02. [m] Moonkid - New - GMT+12
- Swamped already pointed it out but who do you believe is 'stirring the pot' so far?

That was a joke not aimed at anyone in particular. I'm not ready to make such statements just yet :p

Originally Posted by Sawneeks

Also what do you think about Palmer's claim?

It's certainly bold - I don't feel particularly strongly about it but I'm inclined to believe them. Seems too risky if they are in fact a mafia. Then again, this game is all about that 4th dimensional chess and I'm here trying to move a piece lol.
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(05-18-2017, 07:40 AM)
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I won't be 100% gone, I just can't really make substantial posts from a phone. It's day 1 anyway, though. All the interesting shit will go down in the final 4 hours or so.
hey_monkey
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(05-18-2017, 07:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by Palmer_v1

I won't be 100% gone, I just can't really make substantial posts from a phone. It's day 1 anyway, though. All the interesting shit will go down in the final 4 hours or so.

I figured, from your posts above, which is why I went ahead and shared all that. If you're here, there's much less chance of that scenario derailing anything else that might happen.
Moonkid
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(05-18-2017, 08:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Palmer_v1

I won't be 100% gone, I just can't really make substantial posts from a phone. It's day 1 anyway, though. All the interesting shit will go down in the final 4 hours or so.

Is there any particular reason things heat up near that time? I'll probably be asleep mind you.

Originally Posted by StanleyPalmtree

ayyyyyy another Kiwi, im finally not alone!

Yes indeed, and a fellow fan of Berserk too might I add. Your avatar was basically me during the first episode of last year's new adaptation.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(05-18-2017, 08:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by oreomunsta

I'm not really reading Palmer's claim as scummy, so I wouldn't consider him an issue for Town at the moment. If he was Godfather, it just wouldn't make sense to put himself in the spotlight at all. The sweet spot for such a role would be somewhere in between moderately active and frontrunner in conversation.

I wouldn't push for a Palmer lynch on this day, but would keep a closer eye on him for choosing a relatively bold move on D1.

To be honest, I don't have many leads that I would feel confident in pursuing :S could just be part of the game when it comes to D1, and most things are speculation. Let's keep this thread going, though.

Thanks to all the players who are significantly contributing so far!

Mooooom, Oreo is copying me!!!!111!!!1
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(05-18-2017, 08:45 AM)
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me waiting for someone to post
cabot
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(05-18-2017, 08:55 AM)
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I'm here, where's the scum and how can I vote them?


PIZZA PIE: SCUM


Nailed it.

hey_monkey
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(05-18-2017, 08:58 AM)
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This thread is haunted.
hatmoza
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(05-18-2017, 09:00 AM)
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I wish I saw this...
StanleyPalmtree
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(05-18-2017, 09:52 AM)
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so if were just not really saying anything, how do yall like my new avatar?
isaacnukem
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(05-18-2017, 10:08 AM)
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VOTE: StanleyPalmtree
Moonkid
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(05-18-2017, 10:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by StanleyPalmtree

so if were just not really saying anything, how do yall like my new avatar?

I think you got an answer LOL.
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 10:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by StanleyPalmtree

so if were just not really saying anything, how do yall like my new avatar?

Not as good as mine, I fear
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 11:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by isaacnukem

VOTE: StanleyPalmtree

Originally Posted by Moonkid

I think you got an answer LOL.

hello new friends. Were you properly welcomed? I assume not, so here

Welcome

If you have any questions, ask me

GAFia terminology?

GAFia meta?

Want to know who's who does what, don't you

I can tell on you for you
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 11:06 AM)
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Feels good to be Town-aligned, doesn't it?

I bet it does
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 11:07 AM)
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!



¬_¬
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 11:09 AM)
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I have a plan

It requires volunteers

Who wants to play Mafia with me
StanleyPalmtree
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(05-18-2017, 11:14 AM)
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yeah thats about the desired effect.

blarg get your own pineapple.

also, eh why not, ill volunteer.
Burbeting
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(05-18-2017, 11:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by Burbeting on page 3 50pp

VOTE: Blargonaut

What are your favorite pizza toppings?

Don't ignore me Blargonaut senpai.
acohrs
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(05-18-2017, 11:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sawneeks

...

16. [m] acohrs - GMT
- You mentioned that you don't believe Palmer is Scum because any deviation from the norm on Day 1 usually leads to someone's lynch. Currently it's look like Palmer won't be lynched, in fact most people are believing him. Does this change your perception of his claim at all? Since he did deviate from the norm but there hasn't been much backlash to it.

...

That's a good point actually, Palmer's role claim has gone down pretty well with most players. In fact, nobody has kicked that much of a stink up about it. Maybe scum see this roleclaim as a poisoned chalice and won't touch it or palmer is scum and they won't touch it to get one of their team lynched. Sadly, this is all guesswork and really doesn't help me to form an opinion at all right now.

@30years, hammer because I see that you like a good hammer in your mafia games, and sheep because you're a kiwi
acohrs
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(05-18-2017, 11:59 AM)
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If you set the board up blarg, I will play with the pineapple twins
Burbeting
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(05-18-2017, 12:05 PM)
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I'll consider volunteering if you tell me your favorite pizza toppings, Blargy.

Originally Posted by Sawneeks

15. [m] Burbeting - GMT+2
- It's been a bit but what do you plan to do differently between now and the last time we played together ( Quarantine )? Do you support Palmer's idea of lynching coasters today?

Well my plan is to try to be more active than in Quarantine (and in Gafia 3, for that matter). Inactivity is never good in any games.

For Palmer's idea, I wouldn't be completely against it. The problem though is that it will be harder to see just who is coasting and who is not during day 1. For example, right now most of the player feel like they are coasting, due to how early the game is still on.
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 12:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by StanleyPalmtree

yeah thats about the desired effect.

blarg get your own pineapple.

*snip*

I am my own pineapple

*snip*

also, eh why not, ill volunteer.

Originally Posted by acohrs

If you set the board up blarg, I will play with the pineapple twins

alright, funny you should say that. Putting the fruit sandwiches aside for a moment

As you may have witnessed, the Town faction of GAFia has not been doing well as of late. Losses, streaks of game losses, all very recently, as compared to Towns prior. It's almost as if we've forgotten how to hunt

Hence, I have a proposal, for a solution. And it requires responsible people willing to engage one another in meaningful discourse:

There are 20 of us here at the moment. Ask yourselves, does each one of you feel enthusiastic about gradually and individually doling 19 in-depth character analyses of all the other players here?

Do you feel like that's fun? hmm

So, I propose that we divide ourselves into arbitrary "read teams" of 2 players per; not for the purposes of trust, but for the purpose of efficiency. Delegation is the key to managing this workload, isn't it?

Thusly, I propose the following "read team" pairings:
Darryl & Dr. Worm --> responsible for providing reads on: SkyOdin, BlackBuzzard
Moonkid & Swamped --> responsible for providing reads on: Palmer_v1, acohrs
Palmer_v1 & StanleyPalmtree --> responsible for providing reads on: WhereAreMahDragonz, isaacnukem
acohrs & WhereAreMahDragonz --> responsible for providing reads on: Darryl, Lifeline
Lifeline & Sawneeks --> responsible for providing reads on: Natiko, oreomunsta
Burbeting & oreomunsta --> responsible for providing reads on: Swamped, Blargonaut
BlackBuzzard & isaacnukem --> responsible for providing reads on: Burbeting, 30yearsofhurt
Natiko & SkyOdin --> responsible for providing reads on: Sawneeks, Moonkid
hey_monkey & 30yearsofhurt --> responsible for providing reads on: SexyFish, StanleyPalmtree
Blargonaut & SexyFish --> responsible for providing reads on: Dr. Worm, hey_monkey
Each "read team" is responsible for providing IN-DEPTH reads on their 2 designated players alone.

This does NOT prohibit players from providing reads on others not assigned to them, BUT it will help us suss out hidden social links and agendas via forced interaction(s), YEAH?

go
acohrs
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(05-18-2017, 12:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Burbeting

I'll consider volunteering if you tell me your favorite pizza toppings, Blargy.



Well my plan is to try to be more active than in Quarantine (and in Gafia 3, for that matter). Inactivity is never good in any games.

For Palmer's idea, I wouldn't be completely against it. The problem though is that it will be harder to see just who is coasting and who is not during day 1. For example, right now most of the player feel like they are coasting, due to how early the game is still on.

Think Palmer's plan is a good idea ...for day 2, when there's data to actually help enforce the view.

Saw are you scum this game? Can't tell with you since our first game when you played scum so well.
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(05-18-2017, 12:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Burbeting

Don't ignore me Blargonaut senpai.

Did you know I have an avatar meant for Anime [Mafia]

I drew it myself

What will happen to it now, Burb

lost to time and the elements
acohrs
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(05-18-2017, 12:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blargonaut


...

http://i.imgur.com/0mKXcg1.gif

Really like this idea, come on Dragonz, we have a job to do!
Burbeting
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(05-18-2017, 12:17 PM)
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Wouldn't it be better for every pair do reads on 3 players at least, so there will be some cross-referential information on how some players are being read differently? So some of the players are read by more than just one pair.
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(05-18-2017, 12:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by acohrs

http://i.imgur.com/0mKXcg1.gif

Really like this idea, come on Dragonz, we have a job to do!

Here, let me get that for you



I saved your GIF's life, acorns

Your GIF owes me
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DAY 1 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Sawneeks (3)
WhereAreMahDragonz 110
BlackBuzzard 130
Darryl 147

BlackBuzzard (2)
Natiko 97
hey_monkey 272

Blargonaut (2)
Burbeting 102
Palmer_v1 118

30yearsofhurt (1)
acohrs 238

Moonkid (1)
Lifeline 132

SexyFish (1)
Sawneeks 131

oreomunsta (1)
hey_monkey 111 241
SkyOdin 112

StanleyPalmtree (1)
hey_monkey 241 272
isaacnukem 314

hey_monkey (1)
Swamped 239

Natiko (0): acohrs 123 238, Swamped 236 239

No active vote for Day 1: 30yearsofhurt, Blargonaut, Dr. Worm, Moonkid, oreomunsta, SexyFish, StanleyPalmtree

Day 1 Postcount: 30yearsofhurt 12, acohrs 11, BlackBuzzard 18, Blargonaut 8, Burbeting 12, Darryl 7, Dr. Worm 8, hey_monkey 31, isaacnukem 8, Lifeline 2, Moonkid 8, Natiko 21, oreomunsta 8, Palmer_v1 19, Sawneeks 15, SexyFish 3, SkyOdin 8, StanleyPalmtree 4, Swamped 5, WhereAreMahDragonz 22


Day 1 ends:

Automated vote tally here

11 votes for majority
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 12:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Burbeting

Wouldn't it be better for every pair do reads on 3 players at least, so there will be some cross-referential information on how some players are being read differently? So some of the players are read by more than just one pair.



Over-delegation, Burb. It's a common hazard, I did the math
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(05-18-2017, 12:26 PM)
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VOTE: Palmer_v1
Burbeting
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(05-18-2017, 12:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blargonaut

Did you know I have an avatar meant for Anime [Mafia]

I drew it myself

What will happen to it now, Burb

lost to time and the elements

I think the other Gajins cherish your avatar in it's loving memory.

What are your favorite Pizza Toppings?

Originally Posted by Blargonaut



Over-delegation, Burb. It's a common hazard, I did the math

I'm just trying to consider how the scum would be able to affect the plan. Let's say a scum/pair of scum decides to super scum read a player they were assigned to, and the town just sheepishly then follows to a mislynch. If there was another player doing a read on the player too, the more sheepish town could have multiple points of view.
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(05-18-2017, 12:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Burbeting

I think the other Gajins cherish your avatar in it's loving memory.

What are your favorite Pizza Toppings?

*snip*

Roast chicken, caramelized red onions, pickled chilli peppers, BBQ sauce and pineapple bits, pineapple bits, pineapple bits, pineapple bits, pineapple bits and pineapple bits

with garlic-mayo or spinach dip

Also, the best pizzas are homemade and modern Pizza Hut is trash

*snip*

I'm just trying to consider how the scum would be able to affect the plan. Let's say a scum/pair of scum decides to super scum read a player they were assigned to, and the town just sheepishly then follows to a mislynch. If there was another player doing a read on the player too, the more sheepish town could have multiple points of view.

Me, pairing two scum like that? Unlikely odds, Burb

We'd use that against them, of course. That's a tell
Blargonaut
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(05-18-2017, 12:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Burbeting

I think the other Gajins cherish your avatar in it's loving memory.



hmph
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(05-18-2017, 01:13 PM)
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[QUOTE=Blargonaut;237231789]Roast chicken, caramelized red onions, pickled chilli peppers, BBQ sauce and pineapple bits, pineapple bits, pineapple bits, pineapple bits, pineapple bits and pineapple bits

with garlic-mayo or spinach dip

Also, the best pizzas are homemade and modern Pizza Hut is trash
/QUOTE]

unvote
StanleyPalmtree
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(05-18-2017, 01:25 PM)
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i refuse to be on the same team with V1.
hes already outdated by me, no need to rub that in.
There can only be one

also

Originally Posted by Blargonaut

VOTE: Palmer_v1

butwhytho?.tga
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(05-18-2017, 01:39 PM)
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VOTE: Palmer_v1

I cite pineapple intolerance as justification.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(05-18-2017, 01:39 PM)
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If Blarg is scum then he could immediately design scum /scum pairings to get peeps mislynched

Blarg your plan stinks!!!!! Like you!!!!111!
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(05-18-2017, 01:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sawneeks


19. [f] Swamped - EST
- In your 'players to look out for post' you mentioned Burb, Sky, WAMD, and Darryl but what are you current thoughts on them? Do you agree we should lynch a coaster today? Also, Monkey answered your question but you kept the vote there, why?

Monkey answered a question about wishy-washiness, it was a general point she was making about townies just being uncertain about their reads. I gave her my opinion on the matter. But this wasn't the reason I voted for her in the first place. She seemed skittish about discussing stuff, worried that votes would be thrown her way for voicing an opinion.

Originally Posted by hey_monkey

I have a lot of ideas, but I think too heavy discussion of it at this juncture is equally ill-advised. We've already got sharks in the water snapping at anything that might possibly be related to some sort of chum.

Scum has reason to be reticent about being loud about opinions and taking sides. I wanted to see how she would react to some pressure. After that, she voted Stan, a player who hadn't checked in yet, a safe vote. Since then, Monkey has since been vocal about issues such as Palmer's claim at least so that's good. I'm not sure if she is the right lynch for today, but until I do some more reading I'll leave my vote there. I'm watching her though.

Originally Posted by WhereAreMahDragonz

This debate between Sawneeks and Natiko has a lot of words and little content

giving me town vs town vibes

Why? Genuinely curious. Lot of words and little tangible content is usually a scum read for me. Also, are they even fighting lol? I feel like there is more friction between Darryl and Sawneeks.

Originally Posted by Blargonaut


Moonkid & Swamped --> responsible for providing reads on: Palmer_v1, acohrs

Yeah I can provide some reads.. I've already discussed Palmer a bit. I also wanted to look at BB.
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Definitely not playing Blarg's game.

Only person I'm somewhat getting scum vibes from is Natiko, but not enough that I'll let it override my desire to murder a coaster.
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Originally Posted by WhereAreMahDragonz

If Blarg is scum then he could immediately design scum /scum pairings to get peeps mislynched

Blarg your plan stinks!!!!! Like you!!!!111!

i think you need more exclamation points.

also even if that was scumblargs plan it would probably play out better for town anyway, drawing such a significant relation to a scum buddy is hardly in scums best interest.

honestly blargs idea has me more curious than anything, and i dont see how it could truly backfire on town so long as we stay self aware about the whole thing.
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I'll be answered your other questions in a bit Sawneeks. I want to read some other players too, including the ones Blarg asked for. to answer your coaster question - I think it's not a bad strategy, but I want to be clear about my definition of a coaster. To me, the post count doesn't matter, it's the content of their posts. So a coaster to me can be someone with a 100 posts, but maybe no votes, or maybe no scums reads. I'll be looking out for this during my re-read.
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Originally Posted by Blargonaut

Here, let me get that for you



I saved your GIF's life, acorns

Your GIF owes me

It owes you more than its life Blarg, it owes you it's heart
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Originally Posted by Swamped

I'll be answered your other questions in a bit Sawneeks. I want to read some other players too, including the ones Blarg asked for. to answer your coaster question - I think it's not a bad strategy, but I want to be clear about my definition of a coaster. To me, the post count doesn't matter, it's the content of their posts. So a coaster to me can be someone with a 100 posts, but maybe no votes, or maybe no scums reads. I'll be looking out for this during my re-read.

I mean, that the coaster hasn't voted, or their votes are of poor quality (like Bowlie voting a banned player in anime :P)
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Originally Posted by Palmer_v1

Definitely not playing Blarg's game.

Only person I'm somewhat getting scum vibes from is Natiko, but not enough that I'll let it override my desire to murder a coaster.

Why not? He dressed it up, but he's essentially just asking for reads.
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Originally Posted by Swamped

Why not? He dressed it up, but he's essentially just asking for reads.

Say for the sake of argument that I am scum and Acorn is town. Scum!Blarg knows this, and gives us a townie and a scum to read. We provide reads that gets the scum lynched. This immediately soft-confirms me as town because there's no way I'd bus my teammate, right?

The alternative is true. If we get the townie lynched then that makes the pair of us look bad, and I can just try and throw Acorn under the bus to live another day, effectively getting two townies lynched.
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Originally Posted by Sawneeks

01. [m] isaacnukem - New - UTC+8
- You posed a question towards Natiko here but after he answered you never followed up on it. Why? What did you think of the back-and-forth between him and Darryl?

I guess I found Natiko's answer satisfactory. As for the exchanges, other than them being a minute apart per post, I'm not really sure if it's fabricated or not. Leaning on the latter to make my life easier.

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