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NeOak
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(04-20-2017, 12:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Paganmoon

I'd say there's been rough seas for quite some time before. The ship is now stuck in dead calm, and the crew is going to starve to death.

Wonder if we'll get to 500 pages... hmm.

Edit: also wonder how safe that sms importer is, could very well also copy all your text to another location somewhere...

There is no logged data use for it.

Also, it hasn't worked. I think the backup is too big for it. Gonna try again later.
hadareud
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(04-20-2017, 12:58 PM)
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Just listened to the Windows Weekly podcast over lunch and my hunch about W10 ARM replacing W10M is their hunch, too. Also, none of that maintenance mode for mobile is confirmed (or hinted at by their sources) either, it seems.

So just speculation based on recent events. Pretty sure that they are correct, though.
Paganmoon
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(04-20-2017, 01:09 PM)
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The maintenance mode theory is based on RS3 on insider preview having build number 16xxx on PC and still on 15xxx on Mobile?
hadareud
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(04-20-2017, 01:18 PM)
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Yep.
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brotkasten
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(04-20-2017, 01:24 PM)
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Well, that's stupid to base the rumor on that alone. We've had the mobile build being a couple of numbers ahead or behind before.
Paganmoon
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(04-20-2017, 01:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by hadareud

Yep.

edit: well, based on different build numbers anyway. My phone is on 1703.

That's just Microsofts versioning thing, RS2 is 1703 (both PC and Mobile), RS was 1607 but the builds are named totally differently, 10.0.15xxx for RS2 and 10.0.14xxx for RS

Originally Posted by brotkasten

Well, that's stupid to base the rumor on that alone. We've had the mobile build being a couple of numbers ahead or behind before.

yeah, it's a stretch really, but this isn't just a few numbers, this is "major build number" difference. but still, a stretch.
hadareud
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(04-20-2017, 01:45 PM)
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I do think there's something to the theory.

If not now, I suspect it's exactly what will happen after RS3.

I doubt we will see any new devices running Windows 10 mobile, it'll be Windows 10 ARM. And since that only works from 835 upwards, it won't run on existing devices.
NeOak
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(04-20-2017, 01:45 PM)
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I'm really missing the Edge gestures :(
Paganmoon
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(04-20-2017, 01:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by NeOak

I'm really missing the Edge gestures :(

wait, browsers on Android don't have gestures?
brotkasten
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(04-20-2017, 01:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Paganmoon

wait, browsers on Android don't have gestures?

Of course there are browsers on Android that support gestures.
Paganmoon
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(04-20-2017, 02:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by brotkasten

Of course there are browsers on Android that support gestures.

yeah, thought so, cause that had me scratching my head.

Now, Webhallen, you fuckers, where the hell is my phone!?
NeOak
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(04-20-2017, 02:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by brotkasten

Of course there are browsers on Android that support gestures.

Recommend me one?
brotkasten
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(04-20-2017, 02:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by NeOak

Recommend me one?

I can't recommend what I personally don't use.

But you can try Dolphin and Habit Browser. The last one is super highly customizable.
Nero3000
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(04-20-2017, 02:25 PM)
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Still running my 950 at least for another year or until Surface Phone I hope.
bigJP
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(04-20-2017, 02:31 PM)
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i miss windows phone. hurry up and announce the surface phone. will be back day 1
Gibbs
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(04-20-2017, 02:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by brotkasten

I love how you guys never give up. It goes a bit into CrackBerry territory, but still. It really inspires me!

Windows Phone had all the potential in the world, and Microsoft dropped the ball. The live tiles were incredible. Probably the one thing I loved about WP and made it unique against iPhone and Android. Customization was a breeze.

I just loved everything about it until I noticed how unstable the phone really was. Apps were always crashing, the terrible "loading....." every time I tried to do something. Perhaps it was because I owned a budget WP. 520, 635, 640, but I didn't want to give up hope but with apps leaving at an alarming rare, I went iPhone, back to Windoww Phone then android, and now back on iPhone.

Microsoft had something entirely unique but couldn't deliver. They wanted to be like everyone else instead of staying different.
camajise
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(04-20-2017, 02:43 PM)
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My 950XL is gonna strictly be my point n shoot. I tried it as a vacation/weekend phone for the camera but the phone's shitty gps on maps failed me numerous times.
Astral/H3X
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(04-20-2017, 02:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gibbs

Windows Phone had all the potential in the world, and Microsoft dropped the ball. The live tiles were incredible. Probably the one thing I loved about WP and made it unique against iPhone and Android. Customization was a breeze.

I just loved everything about it until I noticed how unstable the phone really was. Apps were always crashing, the terrible "loading....." every time I tried to do something. Perhaps it was because I owned a budget WP. 520, 635, 640, but I didn't want to give up hope but with apps leaving at an alarming rare, I went iPhone, back to Windoww Phone then android, and now back on iPhone.

Microsoft had something entirely unique but couldn't deliver. They wanted to be like everyone else instead of staying different.

I think the biggest problem was that WP never "took off". It was always a distant third place, so it was probably difficult for them to dedicate resources to it.
In a perfect world, we could've kept People Hub with plugins to support all the social media sites (instead of relying on system updates to kinda keep some compatibility kinda). In a perfect world, we'd have all the little niggles fixed. In a perfect world, maybe we could've gotten that Android app support, who knows.

Me and a coworker were discussing it, and it was sort of ironic that the exact thing that keeps Windows on PCs alive is the same thing that is killing WP -- entrenched third party support.
SCHUEY F1
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(04-20-2017, 03:40 PM)
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If my 950xl screen wasn't cracked i would be less likely to jump ship, but I'm tired of looking at it. Been like this almost since day 1 of getting it.

Edit: Or I should just save my money. I was looking at the G6, but I've been reading that the camera glass is easily susceptible to cracking or scratching
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Klocker
(04-20-2017, 09:42 PM)
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Been on Windows (phone/mobile) from 2010 until about 6 months ago when APPS necessitated the switch ..but

I would take an android phone with a Windows UI in a heartbeat..
DO IT MS.
VanMardigan
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(04-21-2017, 03:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Astral/H3X

Me and a coworker were discussing it, and it was sort of ironic that the exact thing that keeps Windows on PCs alive is the same thing that is killing WP -- entrenched third party support.

Easy to forget now, but there was a period early in the Elop Nokia era where it really did look like a third ecosystem was viable. We were getting most major apps, even many games. Also Nokia had an incredible number of in house apps and Microsoft was paying developers to enhance the ecosystem. We were getting incredibly innovative devices like the 920 and 1020, and actual mindshare. It just wasn't a sustainable model. Or, maybe it was in terms of raw capability because Microsoft is massive but once ballmer left there was no more will to spend the large amounts necessary to sustain the platform, which at that point had cracked double digits in many territories and had positive momentum but clearly was not growing fast enough to threaten the major players.
derFeef
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(04-21-2017, 07:10 AM)
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They thought they could win the people by making cheaper phones and release as much as possible within a year. I am still not sure why the blockbuster phones did not take off back then, people were already in their "OMG THE NEXT SAMSUNG" and "SAMSUNG GOT THE BEST CAMERA!" mindset sadly. I am not sure why WP would ever take off if they try again for those exact same reasons.

edit: fully back on my freshly "repaired" (no idea what they did) 950. While I love to be back, launching apps is still crappy. Even compared to the A3 which launches the usual apps very fast.
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Paganmoon
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(04-21-2017, 08:46 AM)
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They did "win" lots of people back in the 920/1020 and even into 930 releases, and with the lower end phones as well. they were over 10% in many euro markets. up to 17% in Italy iirc, and growing. Then they just stopped releasing high end phones for almost 2 years (Icon in Feb 2014 to the 950 nov/dec 2015), and in turn sort of ignored the platform during that time. There's really no one else to blame but Microsoft.
There wasn't a major conspiracy where people plotted to bring them down, they did it all by themselves.
MCD
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(04-21-2017, 09:03 AM)
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Platform died thanks to Satya. I told you guys he will be the end of WP.
brotkasten
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(04-21-2017, 09:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by MCD

Platform died thanks to Satya. I told you guys he will be the end of WP.

Cloud first, mobile first!
Klocker
(04-21-2017, 09:26 AM)
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Shame that it was so far ahead of it's time as a UI

People never understood the beauty and ease and just went for the crap interface with apps.

If we had gotten all the apps early on we could have made a third ecosystem last.


Then again don't underestimate people wanting to leave their PC's behind and Microsoft reminded them of that. They wanted Google and apple mail.
Last edited by Klocker; 04-21-2017 at 09:28 AM.
BeforeU
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(04-21-2017, 12:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by MCD

Platform died thanks to Satya. I told you guys he will be the end of WP.

I never understood this. Platform was never viable for average joe even long before Satya took over. Despite the big marketing campaign, celebrity endorsement it never took off because of all the missteps and resets by MS. Developers never took it seriously and consumers didnt buy it simply because of lack of apps.

The only thing they should have done was, faster OS development time and proper high end phone releases every year.

Honestly the only thing Satya did was stop throwing money at dead platform. If that stupid Nokia acquisition didnt happen, they would have still had so many billions to throw at this platform.
gamz
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(04-21-2017, 01:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by BeforeU

I never understood this. Platform was never viable for average joe even long before Satya took over. Despite the big marketing campaign, celebrity endorsement it never took off because of all the missteps and resets by MS. Developers never took it seriously and consumers didnt buy it simply because of lack of apps.

The only thing they should have done was, faster OS development time and proper high end phone releases every year.

Honestly the only thing Satya did was stop throwing money at dead platform. If that stupid Nokia acquisition didnt happen, they would have still had so many billions to throw at this platform.

Well said. I still think Surface team has something up their sleeves and I do believe it'll be another reboot for the OS. That foldable phone\device patent certainly does look interesting. I really. really miss WP and I'm praying for a comeback.
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Astral/H3X
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(04-21-2017, 01:13 PM)
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I feel like if the UWP had materialized a few years ago, and had Xbox One support right out of the gate, we probably would've had a lot fewer issues. UWP was a great idea, but by the time it rolled out WP was already that "lol no apps why bother" phone for most devs and users.
gamz
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(04-21-2017, 01:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by Astral/H3X

I feel like if the UWP had materialized a few years ago, and had Xbox One support right out of the gate, we probably would've had a lot fewer issues. UWP was a great idea, but by the time it rolled out WP was already that "lol no apps why bother" phone for most devs and users.

What do you mean Xbox One support? On the phone?
Astral/H3X
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(04-21-2017, 01:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by gamz

What do you mean Xbox One support? On the phone?

UWP support on Xbox One, is what I'm referring to. IIRC Xbox One didn't get UWP apps till after phone and PC? I could be mistaken on that, but I could just be crazy.
Paganmoon
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(04-21-2017, 03:04 PM)
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Does the Samsung Smart switch app not have support for Windows 10 Mobile? What a missed opportunity!
link1201
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(04-21-2017, 04:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nero3000

Still running my 950 at least for another year or until Surface Phone I hope.

Same, when my contract is up not sure what I'll do if there is no new windows phone. :/
Paganmoon
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(04-21-2017, 05:10 PM)
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Could one of you that still have Windows phones download the Samsung Smart Switch app, and see if you can get past the terms and conditions page?
Apparently, it's supposed to have windows 10 support, but I can't even click past that screen.
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SCHUEY F1
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(04-21-2017, 05:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Paganmoon

Could one of you that still have Windows phones download the Samsung Smart Switch app, and see if you can get past the terms and conditions page?
Apparently, it's supposed to have windows 10 support, but I can't even click past that screen.

I'll try in a bit. Just picking up an S8. Impulse buy!
claviertekky
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(04-21-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Astral/H3X

UWP support

Notice UWP apps now work with the Xbox controller, which is kind of weird since you still can't use the controller to open up the start menu.
VanMardigan
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(04-21-2017, 06:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by SCHUEY F1

I'll try in a bit. Just picking up an S8. Impulse buy!

That's crazy lol. You went from not wanting to fix $150 screen and using a broken phone for months, to passing up budget Android flagships (including one I would've given you a sweet deal on), straight to the most expensive phone on the market. My word. I was feeling bad for you because you couldn't afford to fix your 950xl.

Not that I'm judging, I've spent more money on phones than any normal person should.
NeOak
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(04-21-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Paganmoon

Could one of you that still have Windows phones download the Samsung Smart Switch app, and see if you can get past the terms and conditions page?
Apparently, it's supposed to have windows 10 support, but I can't even click past that screen.

Wait, it's for WP too?

I'll try.
gamz
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(04-21-2017, 06:33 PM)
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Cheap Surface for the Education market? I think it'll be a huge hit.

http://www.windowscentral.com/micros...ight-move-time
Paganmoon
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(04-21-2017, 06:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by NeOak

Wait, it's for WP too?

I'll try.

yeah, it's available in the windows store. I managed to get past the disclaimer once, but just to a black screen with a connect button, nothing happened there either, so I reinstalled the app, back to same old now, with not getting past the disclaimer.

If I check the app in the store again, it apparently thinks it's not installed, and gives me the install button again. Maybe I should do a hard reset, restore, and then try again?
SCHUEY F1
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(04-21-2017, 06:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by VanMardigan

That's crazy lol. You went from not wanting to fix $150 screen and using a broken phone for months, to passing up budget Android flagships (including one I would've given you a sweet deal on), straight to the most expensive phone on the market. My word. I was feeling bad for you because you couldn't afford to fix your 950xl.

Not that I'm judging, I've spent more money on phones than any normal person should.

Lol. I was only able to make it work because I was able.to trade in my wife's iPhone6, plus some other deals so it was basically free. Got $20 for my 920 too lol
brotkasten
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(04-21-2017, 09:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by SCHUEY F1

Lol. I was only able to make it work because I was able.to trade in my wife's iPhone6, plus some other deals so it was basically free. Got $20 for my 920 too lol

You're going to hate it.
SCHUEY F1
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(04-21-2017, 09:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by brotkasten

You're going to hate it.

So far so good. Contacts synced fine minus the profile pics. Groove is better than the last time I used android which is nice.

Edit: Had to search for the Michelin travel app j/k
Paganmoon
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(04-21-2017, 10:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by SCHUEY F1

So far so good. Contacts synced fine minus the profile pics. Groove is better than the last time I used android which is nice.

Edit: Had to search for the Michelin travel app j/k

Did the Samsung smart switch app work for you?
Treo360
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(04-21-2017, 10:50 PM)

Originally Posted by Paganmoon

Could one of you that still have Windows phones download the Samsung Smart Switch app, and see if you can get past the terms and conditions page?
Apparently, it's supposed to have windows 10 support, but I can't even click past that screen.

I get as being able to connect to my s8's Wi-Fi signal, I then hit back button as instructed, and then nothing.
SCHUEY F1
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(04-21-2017, 10:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Paganmoon

Did the Samsung smart switch app work for you?

Originally Posted by Treo360

I get as being able to connect to my s8's Wi-Fi signal, I then hit back button as instructed, and then nothing.

Yup. Same as me
brotkasten
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(04-21-2017, 11:12 PM)
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The Samsung app is garbage. It worked like shit when I tried to transfer everything from my Nexus 5. It barely worked over Bluetooth and the cable connection had issues.
Gibbs
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(04-21-2017, 11:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Astral/H3X

I think the biggest problem was that WP never "took off". It was always a distant third place, so it was probably difficult for them to dedicate resources to it.
In a perfect world, we could've kept People Hub with plugins to support all the social media sites (instead of relying on system updates to kinda keep some compatibility kinda). In a perfect world, we'd have all the little niggles fixed. In a perfect world, maybe we could've gotten that Android app support, who knows.

Me and a coworker were discussing it, and it was sort of ironic that the exact thing that keeps Windows on PCs alive is the same thing that is killing WP -- entrenched third party support.

Android app support would have been a saving grace to a point. I would have stayed if they kept true to doing it, but they couldn't deliver for some odd reason.

I do agree with you, it may have never taken off properly. People Hub was fantastic by the way. When I used windows phone beside my ex who had an iphone, it was night and day, but I felt my WP had so much more personality. Though it was apparent how bad it was in terms of speed and the nagging issues MS just never seemed to care to fix.

Perhaps they'll give it a shot again with the rumored surface phone? Who knows, but my only hope is that they deliver on a phone that is more stable, faster, and has the support it deserves.
LostMyNarbles
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(04-21-2017, 11:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by gamz

Cheap Surface for the Education market? I think it'll be a huge hit.

http://www.windowscentral.com/micros...ight-move-time

I don't see it being a big success unless they are really cheap and still offer good performance. The cheap Windows 10 Laptop's that Microsoft pushed OEM's to release have been garbage with terrible performance that cannot compete with ChromeOS. The only way this is successful is if it is affordable like a Chromebook is, but still be able to handle tasks decently. I cannot see it being cheap since it will be wearing the "Surface" name and I don't have a lot of faith in performance given past efforts.

That could change over time, and perhaps Microsoft has some strategies in place to help lure companies to create apps specifically for this genre.

This is the same thing Windows Phone fans have been telling themselves for the past 4-5 years. Hoping and praying that Microsoft has some secret sauce strategy in the pipeline only to be disappointed over and over again.
BeforeU
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(04-21-2017, 11:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by LostMyNarbles

I don't see it being a big success unless they are really cheap and still offer good performance. The cheap Windows 10 Laptop's that Microsoft pushed OEM's to release have been garbage with terrible performance that cannot compete with ChromeOS. The only way this is successful is if it is affordable like a Chromebook is, but still be able to handle tasks decently. I cannot see it being cheap since it will be wearing the "Surface" name and I don't have a lot of faith in performance given past efforts.
This is the same thing Windows Phone fans have been telling themselves for the past 4-5 years. Hoping and praying that Microsoft has some secret sauce strategy in the pipeline only to be disappointed over and over again.


lol yup

I stopped reading Daniel's write up a while ago.

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