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Frustrated_me
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(05-17-2017, 04:23 AM)
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Embarrassing. Utterly embarrassing.
Turbo Killer
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(05-17-2017, 04:25 AM)
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Where are those fucking gun nuts when you need them? Oh yeah walking around with machine guns in grocery stores scaring others, nevermind.
Stinkles
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(05-17-2017, 04:25 AM)
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This is what a fascist government looks like. Common thugs in suits. Not diluted by the soft hands of thinkers or diplomats. Yes men and strongmen.
Lautaro
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(05-17-2017, 04:26 AM)
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Just wait till Trump invites Duterte. I bet his goons are even nastier.
L Thammy
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(05-17-2017, 04:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by SwiftDeath

Curious if the perpetrators fall under diplomatic immunity.

I was generally under the impression that it's not like the movies and is more meant for things like speeding etc. but the way the cops were simply pushing them back instead of arresting them makes me wonder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplom...matic_immunity

Don't know enough to say one way or another, but this seems relevant if diplomatic immunity is actually at play here.
superdeluxe
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(05-17-2017, 04:29 AM)
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Another video; https://twitter.com/voanews/status/864655547215171584

Looks like it captures the initial brawl
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:30 AM)
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I am of course not defending those violents actions but showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American. They claimed 40.000 civilians lives in recent turkish history. Sorry to break the whole "kurds are the good side" angle. Also recall that Iraqi Kurdish autonomous state is 100 % aligned with Erdogan and anti-PKK/YPG. I think we should really stop calling every YPG/PKK fanboy a "kurdish militant" since kurdish national movement is diverse and have antagonist forces.

I recall that PKK is still considered a terrorist organisation by UE and USA.
Turbo Killer
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(05-17-2017, 04:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

I am of course not defending those violents actions but showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American. They claimed 40.000 civilians lives in recent turkish history. Sorry to break the whole "kurds are the good side" angle. Also recall that Iraqi Kurdish autonomous state is 100 % aligned with Erdogan and anti-PKK/YPG. I think we should really stop calling every YPG/PKK fanboy a "kurdish militant" since kurdish national movement is diverse and have antagonist forces.

I recall that PKK is still considered a terrorist organisation by UE and USA.

Really?
UberTag
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(05-17-2017, 04:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Crosseyes

Damn, if there ever was a good excuse for a cop to put a bullet in someone doing so to protect American citizens from a foreign dictator's attack would be a pretty fucking good one.

US cops only start firing bullets when a scary unarmed black person raises their hands in the air in self-defence.
Sorry, your police force is far beyond salvaging.

Originally Posted by Stinkles

This is what a fascist government looks like. Common thugs in suits. Not diluted by the soft hands of thinkers or diplomats. Yes men and strongmen.

This is why Donny is frustrated and dropping so many F-bombs tonight. He wants to be an unquestioned fascist dictator like his good buddy Recep.
Why can't he have thugs and strongmen like Erdogan does?
reckless
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(05-17-2017, 04:33 AM)

Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

I am of course not defending those violents actions but showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American. They claimed 40.000 civilians lives in recent turkish history. Sorry to break the whole "kurds are the good side" angle. Also recall that Iraqi Kurdish autonomous state is 100 % aligned with Erdogan and anti-PKK/YPG. I think we should really stop calling every YPG/PKK fanboy a "kurdish militant" since kurdish national movement is diverse and have antagonist forces.

I recall that PKK is still considered a terrorist organisation by UE and USA.

Yeah totally not...
GuessMyUserName
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(05-17-2017, 04:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

I am of course not defending those violents actions but

Should stop before this part
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:34 AM)
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One of the sign clearly says : "Free Selahattin Demirtaş" which is a YPG/PKK sympathizer.


You can see the face of the leader of the PKK in the background.
Master Yoshi
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(05-17-2017, 04:34 AM)
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Why are we inviting dictators for tea time?
reckless
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(05-17-2017, 04:35 AM)

Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

One of the sign clearly says : "Free Selahattin Demirtaş" which is a YPG/PKK sympathizer.


You can see the face of the leader of the PKK in the background.



Just keep on going...
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by reckless

Yeah totally not...

No i am not. Giving background is not defending. I don't defend violence against peaceful protest.
If OP says it's a crackdown on opponent or kurds, i provide element that prove that is not the case. PKK/YPG is beyond opposition, it's not like CHP (main turkish opposition party) is demonstrating. Those are armed terrorist group accused of ethnic cleansing by Amnesty International.
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Turbo Killer
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(05-17-2017, 04:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Master Yoshi

Why are we inviting dictators for tea time?

Because they are the only ones praising Donny boy.
Timedog
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(05-17-2017, 04:36 AM)
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If you're wearing a business suit, feel free to beat the shit out of people. Cops can't arrest important people.
the_sun_king
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(05-17-2017, 04:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Master Yoshi

Why are we inviting dictators for tea time?

They're Donald's Notice-Me-Senapi.
Chmpocalypse
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(05-17-2017, 04:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

I am of course not defending those violents actions but showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American. They claimed 40.000 civilians lives in recent turkish history. Sorry to break the whole "kurds are the good side" angle. Also recall that Iraqi Kurdish autonomous state is 100 % aligned with Erdogan and anti-PKK/YPG. I think we should really stop calling every YPG/PKK fanboy a "kurdish militant" since kurdish national movement is diverse and have antagonist forces.

I recall that PKK is still considered a terrorist organisation by UE and USA.

FUCK YOUR WHATABOUTISM
commedieu
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(05-17-2017, 04:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

No i am not. Giving background is not defending. I don't defend violence against peaceful protest.
If OP says it's a crackdown on opponent or kurds, i provide element that prove that is not the case. PKK/YPG is beyond opposition, it's not like CHP (main turkish opposition party) is demonstrating. Those are armed terrorist group accused of ethnic cleansing by Amnesty International.

Is your point that the people demonstrating had it coming? Because I can see little this has to do with protesters being nearly stomped to death by Turkish security on American soil.

Unlike turkey, America is still a functioning democracy. Even with trump. They all weren't pkk.. and even if they were all. This isn't turkey. You can't just beat up dissenters or suppress opposing ideas.
fastmower
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(05-17-2017, 04:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

No i am not. Giving background is not defending. I don't defend violence against peaceful protest.
If OP says it's a crackdown on opponent or kurds, i provide element that prove that is not the case. PKK/YPG is beyond opposition, it's not like CHP (main turkish opposition party) is demonstrating. Those are armed terrorist group accused of ethnic cleansing by Amnesty International.

Did the protesters commit a crime by having that flag?
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by commedieu

Is your point that the people demonstrating had it coming? Because I can see little this has to do with protesters being nearly stomped to death by Turkish security on American soil.

Unlike turkey, America is still a functioning democracy. Even with trump. They all weren't pkk.. and even if they were all. This isn't turkey. You can't just beat up dissenters or suppress opposing ideas.

It's why i am saying is wrong. I saw a lot of time PKK demonstration in Paris, i don't like it, i think it's disgusting but i won't accept them getting beaten up for that.

I am just giving some context on what those signs are saying and who those guys were supporting.
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(05-17-2017, 04:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

It's why i am saying is wrong. I saw a lot of time PKK demonstration in Paris, i don't like it, i think it's disgusting but i won't accept them getting beaten up for that.

I am just giving some context on what those signs are saying and who those guys were supporting.

I don't need context of stomping a woman. Do you?
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by fastmower

Did the protesters commit a crime by having that flag?

In French law yes, in US law i don't think so. And again, i am condemning those violents acts on them. It's not because i disagree with some political act that i support violence against it.
reckless
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(05-17-2017, 04:48 AM)

Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

No i am not. Giving background is not defending. I don't defend violence against peaceful protest.
If OP says it's a crackdown on opponent or kurds, i provide element that prove that is not the case. PKK/YPG is beyond opposition, it's not like CHP (main turkish opposition party) is demonstrating. Those are armed terrorist group accused of ethnic cleansing by Amnesty International.

Well the U.S doesn't consider the YPG a terrorist group in fact we've been helping them a lot so no...

And lol gonna do whataboutism when talking about Turkey and the Kurds jesus christ.
Pikma
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(05-17-2017, 04:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Turbo Killer

Trumps' America, bunch of fucking Turk cocksukers beating up on US citizens.

Was this really necessary?
Atenhaus
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(05-17-2017, 04:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

I am of course not defending those violents actions but showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American. They claimed 40.000 civilians lives in recent turkish history. Sorry to break the whole "kurds are the good side" angle. Also recall that Iraqi Kurdish autonomous state is 100 % aligned with Erdogan and anti-PKK/YPG. I think we should really stop calling every YPG/PKK fanboy a "kurdish militant" since kurdish national movement is diverse and have antagonist forces.

I recall that PKK is still considered a terrorist organisation by UE and USA.

You can stick your whataboutism up your ass where it belongs. Diplomatic security assaulting protestors on US soil? Every single fucking one of them should be arrested, deported, and given a lifetime travel ban into the US.
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by reckless

Well the U.S doesn't consider the YPG a terrorist group in fact we've been helping them a lot so no...

And lol gonna do whataboutism when talking about Turkey and the Kurds jesus christ.

YPG no, PKK yes. Just make a google search about the PKK-YPG link and relationship.
I H8 Memes
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(05-17-2017, 04:51 AM)
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At least that guy with the gun caught a couple of good shots. Turns around like what did i do?
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Reminds me of Turks and Kurds fighting outside the Turkish embassy in Tokyo like two years ago. Calm down nerds.
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(05-17-2017, 04:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

In French law yes, in US law i don't think so. And again, i am condemning those violents acts on them. It's not because i disagree with some political act that i support violence against it.

You really are not at all. You came in here to condemn the people being beaten. Sure you throw out a little "I don't defend the beatings" disclaimer but none of your words are directed towards them, only handwaving.
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by commedieu

I don't need context of stomping a woman. Do you?

To condemn it ? No.
Allforce
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(05-17-2017, 04:54 AM)

Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

I am of course not defending those violents actions but showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American. They claimed 40.000 civilians lives in recent turkish history. Sorry to break the whole "kurds are the good side" angle. Also recall that Iraqi Kurdish autonomous state is 100 % aligned with Erdogan and anti-PKK/YPG. I think we should really stop calling every YPG/PKK fanboy a "kurdish militant" since kurdish national movement is diverse and have antagonist forces.

I recall that PKK is still considered a terrorist organisation by UE and USA.

Thanks for the insight. It's clear you're not trying to validate this violence and it's nice to see some more explanation about the tensions despite you probably getting dogpiled for the next 3 pages.

Boils down to "I may not agree with what you say but I will die defending your right to say it" here in the USA.
reckless
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(05-17-2017, 04:56 AM)

Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

YPG no, PKK yes. Just make a google search about the PKK-YPG link and relationship.

Cool and Turkey has directly and indirectly supported ISIS, al-Nusra, Jaysh al-Islam, Ahrar al-Sham.

And has straight up attacked the SDF and YPG. You know just for background info...
Golden_Pigeon
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Originally Posted by GuessMyUserName

You really are not at all. You came in here to condemn the people being beaten. Sure you throw out a little "I don't defend the beatings" disclaimer but none of your words are directed towards them, only handwaving.

So it's great, you can speak for me now. I can condemn people supporting what i consider to be terrorist group allied to one of the worst dictatorship of our time (the Assad regime) and still condemning any violence made against them since it's a peaceful protest.
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Turbo Killer
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Originally Posted by Pikma

Was this really necessary?

Sorry, misspelled cocksuckers which are defined as people who stomp on defenseless womens' heads while they are lying on the ground.
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 04:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by reckless

Cool and Turkey has directly and indirectly has supported ISIS, al-Nusra, Jaysh al-Islam, Ahrar al-Sham.

And has straight up attacked the SDF and YPG. You know just for background info...

For ISIS and al Nusra it's false but it's a very popular theory emanating mainly from Russia and Iran state medias.

Attacking SDF and YPG of course since they are allied to PKK.
Wag
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(05-17-2017, 05:01 AM)
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Trump's America ladies and gentlemen.
Incarmine
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(05-17-2017, 05:02 AM)
Explain to me why it's perfectly okay to punch neo nazis but not okay to beat up these guys?
Chococat
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

For ISIS and al Nusra it's false but it's a very popular theory emanating mainly from Russia and Iran state medias.

Attacking SDF and YPG of course since they are allied to PKK.

I don't give crap about Turkey's sectarian division on American soil. The monster here are the attackers who decided to be judge, jury, and attempted murder of American citizens/green card holders.

You defending this attack because you decided that you know that the peaceful protesters a guilty of something without evidence or a jury. You can hate them all you want in Turkey- don't bring you barbaric conflicts here. We have enough of our own, thank you.
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(05-17-2017, 05:03 AM)
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Can someone post this on Reddit
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(05-17-2017, 05:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Master Yoshi

Why are we inviting dictators for tea time?

Tips?
Stinkles
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(05-17-2017, 05:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

I am of course not defending those violents actions but showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American. They claimed 40.000 civilians lives in recent turkish history. Sorry to break the whole "kurds are the good side" angle. Also recall that Iraqi Kurdish autonomous state is 100 % aligned with Erdogan and anti-PKK/YPG. I think we should really stop calling every YPG/PKK fanboy a "kurdish militant" since kurdish national movement is diverse and have antagonist forces.

I recall that PKK is still considered a terrorist organisation by UE and USA.

Was wondering when and how you'd show up.
Demoncarnotaur
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(05-17-2017, 05:05 AM)
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If true, I wonder how diplomatic immunity will play out.

The way it was filmed made me think of a tamer, real life version of the church brawl in The Kingsman.
Golden_Pigeon
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(05-17-2017, 05:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Chococat

I don't give crap about Turkey's sectarian division on American soil. The monster here are the attackers who decided to be judge, jury, and attempted murder of American citizens/green card holders.

You defending this attack because you decided that you know that the peaceful protesters a guilty of something without evidence or a jury. You can hate them all you want in Turkey- don't bring you barbaric conflicts here. We have enough of our own, thank you.

I am not Turkish but whatever. And i support kurdish autonomy. And i condemn those act of violence and i hope those people caught in camera will be trialed and expelled if they are foreigner.

But yeah, bringing complexity is always going to backfire.

Edit: also, those division are not sectarians but ethnicals. Come on.
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Turbo Killer
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(05-17-2017, 05:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Incarmine

Explain to me why it's perfectly okay to punch neo nazis but not okay to beat up these guys?

lol, wtf? What is going here?
reckless
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(05-17-2017, 05:11 AM)

Originally Posted by Golden_Pigeon

For ISIS and al Nusra it's false but it's a very popular theory emanating mainly from Russia and Iran state medias.

Attacking SDF and YPG of course since they are allied to PKK.

Not false, but even if they didn't both Jaysh al-Islam, Ahrar al-Sham have committed plenty of war crimes anyways.

Funny how you don't bring up anything bad about Turkey in your 'background' but you'll say stuff like

showing the YPG flag (which is PKK related and are accused of ethnic cleansing in Iraq and Syria by Amnesty International) in front of Turks is kind of similar of showing a Al Qaeda flag in front of an American.

Just ignore how the Kurds see the Turkish flag after you know... 100+ of years of oppression, Turkey helping ISIS and other extremist groups to kill Kurds...etc
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macfoshizzle
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(05-17-2017, 05:12 AM)
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I blame trump. Jking
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When is Kim Jong-un coming to visit?
Incarmine
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(05-17-2017, 05:16 AM)

Originally Posted by Turbo Killer

lol, wtf? What is going here?

Cause I see here on poligaf numerous instances of people expressing their desire to do bodily harm to neo-nazis, white supremacists in general, etc. People celebrating when Spencer got decked.

So I want to make sure that people are condemning this because in this case Turkish nationals under diplomatic immunity assaulted OUR citizens on OUR soil, and then got away free under the cover of diplomatic immunity. I want to make sure THAT'S the reason why we're condemning this attack, but are okay with beating up white supremacists, since that's mostly American nationals attacking fellow nationals.

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