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WorldofMiku
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(05-19-2017, 05:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Martinski43

This is what a guy from the UK i chatted with about this said.

Please. Tell him to vote UKIP. That's better for UK then voting Tories.
UpDownLeftRight
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(05-19-2017, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by TemplaerDude

Isn't he a socialist or something? Are the British as afraid of that word as Americans are?

I honestly don't know. I'm a brit and I stay out of politics because literally all I hear is that Corbyn is shit and so are Tories so vote Tory. I've never managed to get a good reason why they want to vote Tory and when I bring up the shit they plan to do the same people agree it's shit, but will still vote Tory.

I think the sad reality of it is people are too damn lazy to actually look at the history of the parties, too closed minded to discuss politics (seriously that shit is not tolerated by so many people here) or just don't care. They truly believe both are equally bad, but choose the objectively worse one.
Aki-at
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(05-19-2017, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Thomas

I've reached the point where I truly believe the Tories are trying to lose the election so they aren't held accountable for Brexit.

Or they've just got a limp opposition who has no realistic goal of beating them that they can start implementing their more dubious policies.

If there was any indication Labour or whoever posed a real threat they'd be singing a different tune.
Martinski43
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(05-19-2017, 05:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Thomas

Tell him yes.

UKIP is a wasted vote and takes a vote off the Tories.

Want to knows something ironic? He works as a web developer.
If it was me in power, censoring my enemies would seem wise. Only difference is that my enemies would be real fascists, the types who ask to bring back the gas chambers in YouTube comments. Also censoring climate change deniers would seem like a good idea too, that type of misinformation is a global security risk. Don't know how far the slippery slope would take me though. Anybody who had wrong ideas about economics or domestic policy might be seen as a threat to progress
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Nokterian
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(05-19-2017, 05:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Martinski43

This is what a guy from the UK i chatted with about this said.

Man, it shows how stupid people are and to think that this is everywhere even here in the netherlands it baffles me and stuns me that there incompetence and being obtuse and even worse fucking ignorant makes my bloodboil.
travisbickle
(05-19-2017, 05:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Thomas

I've reached the point where I truly believe the Tories are trying to lose the election so they aren't held accountable for Brexit.


Conservartives and people who vote Conservative love this shit. They're the kind of people who would put fig leaves on all the nude statues to save the moral integrity of the country.
Doctor_Thomas
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(05-19-2017, 05:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Aki-at

Or they've just got a limp opposition who has no realistic goal of beating them that they can start implementing their more dubious policies.

If there was any indication Labour or whoever posed a real threat they'd be singing a different tune.

Would they? This is the Tories all over.
ClosingADoor
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(05-19-2017, 05:19 PM)
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The internet needs some regulation and accountability. We have seen too much abuse going on and people refusing to act on it. But knowing the UK, they will probably not implement laws just to tackle that but a whole lot more.
jelly
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(05-19-2017, 05:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by travisbickle

Conservartives and people who vote Conservative love this shit. They're the kind of people who would put fig leaves on all the nude statues to save the moral integrity of the country.

lol
jimbobsmells
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(05-19-2017, 05:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by ClosingADoor

The internet needs some regulation and accountability. We have seen too much abuse going on and people refusing to act on it. But knowing the UK, they will probably not implement laws just to tackle that but a whole lot more.

Next stop, illegal to criticise the Government.
shorty_symd
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(05-19-2017, 05:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Martinski43

This is what a guy from the UK i chatted with about this said.


"kewl, yeah. Doesn't bother me mate. May isn't gonna ban Netflix and my memes you hear? It'll be fine. Doesn't bother me one bit. Right! Gonna go and get my BLT Cheese Melt, latte from Greggs and read my Daily Mail in complete ignorant bliss thankyouverymuch."
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Royal_Phalanx
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(05-19-2017, 05:22 PM)
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EU please save us....oh wait.

Fuck off May you old witch. How the fuck will she regulate US/foreign based porn sites for example anyway? She thinks she can get Tumblr/Pornhub/Reddit etc. to comply and get rid of the porn? Also the encryption breaking laws in place are baaad. People's security will be compromised significantly. Look forward to tech companies saying 'fuck this' and moving to the EU instead of complying.
WorldofMiku
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(05-19-2017, 05:22 PM)
We are becoming like China guys. Soon, we will have a firewall censoring most websites because who cares about free speech right?

Some sites are already censored here, it's going to get a million times worse with Tories and hard Brexit. Dark days coming ahead.

Say what you want about Trump, but at least he can be impeached or removed from office 2020. With Brexit, there's no GOING BACK.

Screw you May. Hate your face.
Audioboxer
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(05-19-2017, 05:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by hydrophilic attack

gotta protect british kids from anime-gaf



Originally Posted by ClosingADoor

The internet needs some regulation and accountability. We have seen too much abuse going on and people refusing to act on it. But knowing the UK, they will probably not implement laws just to tackle that but a whole lot more.

That's on the services you are using which you are unhappy with to either enforce their T&Cs or improve reporting tools. The power should never be handed to the government, as it has so much potential for abuse of the citizens, erosion of privacy and even outright censorship. The UK already blocks websites it deems "copyright infringement".

As I said, the only thing the government should be doing is investigating crimes and/or incitement to commit a crime. The later can be challenging in an era of "just a joke bro" and "trolling", but the intermediary on whatever service it is should be cleaning up mess and reporting what appears to be credible threats/targeting.

If they are failing, pressure them/make your complaints known and/or ultimately don't use a service that doesn't meet your needs. So much of the internet can be avoided/nullified and catered to your own needs by yourself. You don't need big brother doing the job for you, in many instances. Don't like reddit? Don't visit reddit. Think YouTube comments are trash? Stop reading them. Otherwise, report and pressure websites to actually enforce their T&C. It's not perfect but my god, anyone thinking we need the government to come in and turn us into North Korea is having a laugh.
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Razmos
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(05-19-2017, 05:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Trokil

Please, places with strong support of post modernist ideologies like for example neogaf are very much in favor of regulating free speech or content on the internet and are just as much in the boat of censorship as the right is.

They just use different arguments why they are for regulation, but in the end they want both pretty much the same thing. That is why this left and right bubbles / echo chambers were built up in the first place, to not be confronted with speech or ideas or content you don't like or approve.

Originally Posted by Trokil

So screaming at people and demanding not giving a platform to certain people, because you don't like their opinion is not regulating free speech?

If somebody says something illegal, there is the law for that. If you just don't want to listen to somebody else, don't got there, but demanding nobody should listen to them, is regulating free speech and sorry there is no mental gymnastics you can somehow apply to deny that.

So basically:

Originally Posted by Steeped in a Sea of Games

I'm sorry that you can't bully minorities here on Neogaf. Perhaps you should fuck off to somewhere else, which is currently completely possible right now in the free and open internet.

Muh free speech.
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Aki-at
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(05-19-2017, 05:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Thomas

Would they? This is the Tories all over.

It is Tory, but they'd reign back on their worst policies because they wouldnt want to lose seats to Labour, Lib Dems etc but since neither parties are going to realistically hurt them they don't have to try and be "nice" to win votes they'd have otherwise lost.
CrankyKong
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(05-19-2017, 05:24 PM)
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What do conservatives on gaf think of this?
shorty_symd
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(05-19-2017, 05:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by WorldofMiku

We are becoming like China guys. Soon, we will have a firewall censoring most websites because who cares about free speech right?

Some sites are already censored here, it's going to get a million times worse with Tories and hard Brexit. Dark days coming ahead.

Say what you want about Trump, but at least he can be impeached or removed from office 2020. With Brexit, there's no GOING BACK.

Screw you May. Hate your face.

Calm down mate. She isn't gonna block Ladbrokes. Relax.
Spaced Harrier
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(05-19-2017, 05:26 PM)
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Fuck May

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.
s_mirage
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(05-19-2017, 05:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by travisbickle

Conservartives and people who vote Conservative love this shit. They're the kind of people who would put fig leaves on all the nude statues to save the moral integrity of the country.

No, sorry, but that's not necessarily true. British Conservatism is supposed to be about small government and minimal legislation. Instead, May's policies seem to be authoritarian, interventionist, and supporting of a big government with its fingers in everything: the opposite of what a lot of Conservatives believe in. The problem is that the whole Conservative party is riddled with career politicians who would support anything that secures their positions, rather than true ideologues. You don't exactly see massive anti-censorship campaigning from the Labour party either, do you? That's because a lot of their supporters gladly eat this kind of stuff up too.
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ChryZ
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(05-19-2017, 05:29 PM)
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V for Vendetta will be a documentary soon, then probably also banned in UK.
Royal_Phalanx
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(05-19-2017, 05:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by ClosingADoor

The internet needs some regulation and accountability. We have seen too much abuse going on and people refusing to act on it. But knowing the UK, they will probably not implement laws just to tackle that but a whole lot more.

That's the tech companies' responsibility to remove abusive/illegal content promptly when reported through the reporting functions already available. No need for more laws on it.

The Lib Dems should put out ads saying "cancel Brexit and remain in the EU, for the porn" like a poster has said. Public opinion will shift bigly to Remain in no time.
KimonoNoNo
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(05-19-2017, 05:32 PM)
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Won't using a VPN make most of this moot; unless they go after them aswell.
Kusagari
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(05-19-2017, 05:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by s_mirage

No, sorry, but that's not necessarily true. British Conservatism is supposed to be about small government and minimal legislation. Instead, May's policies seem to be authoritarian, interventionist, and supporting of a big government with its fingers in everything: the opposite of what a lot of Conservatives believe in. The problem is that the whole Conservative party is riddled with career politicians who would support anything that secures their positions, rather than true ideologues. You don't exactly see massive anti-censorship campaigning from the Labour party either, do you? That's because a lot of their supporters gladly eat this kind of stuff up too.

British conservatism has been authoritarian leaning long before May.
Maintenance
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(05-19-2017, 05:33 PM)
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Can someone explain to me why the UK is going this route? My memory sucks so I don't exactly recall everything, Labour did something shitty so people went to Tories and now they won't go back because Corbyn is garbage?
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Pandy
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(05-19-2017, 05:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

I don't want to get all 'separatist' in here, but it isn't 'the UK' that voted for this shit.
Muffin1611
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(05-19-2017, 05:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Royal_Phalanx

That's the tech companies' responsibility to remove abusive/illegal content promptly when reported through the reporting functions already available. No need for more laws on it.

But who is going to hold the tech companies accountable? Facebook and Twitter delete to this day only a fraction of illegal content, Twitter about an abysmal one percent. If those giant tech companies won't act on their own rules and the law, the government will have to force them.

Make no mistake, what May is doing here is going way further than that and not defendable. But at least what I said above is something that is needed in this day and age.
shorty_symd
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(05-19-2017, 05:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by KimonoNoNo

Won't using a VPN make most of this moot; unless they go after them aswell.

Only a matter of time for that. I can just see it now "Using a VPN or any form of online anonymity tool is illegal and land you in jail for like 10 years". Is that an exaggeration? Maybe, but given that snooping law passed, May is proposing to "regulate the internet" and the overblown penalties for protecting movie copyright property...

Also, I would've pointed out that laws against VPNs are already in place in other countries. Sure, comparing undemocratic countries to the UK is a little unrealistic but hey! It looks like things are going that way anyway.
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(05-19-2017, 05:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by KimonoNoNo

Won't using a VPN make most of this moot; unless they go after them aswell.

It depends on the nature of implementation. From the sound of it, May wants to strong-arm services themselves into changing their methods of operation outright, rather than merely have them apply a given standard for UK citizens. Which is where such it would get messy, as it could mean the UK - a single nation in northern Europe that also just rejected being in Europe - trying to decide how the internet is run for the rest of the world.
PJV3
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(05-19-2017, 05:37 PM)
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The Anglosphere is relentlessly depressing.
Mammoth Jones
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(05-19-2017, 05:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Easy_D

That's a nice slippery slope you got there

Go tell Theresa May that....
Audioboxer
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(05-19-2017, 05:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pandy

I don't want to get all 'separatist' in here, but it isn't 'the UK' that voted for this shit.



WARNING: SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE PROPAGANDA.

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Helloween
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(05-19-2017, 05:38 PM)
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Fuck offfffffff.

This is absurd, i hope it gains enough traction.
jelly
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(05-19-2017, 05:42 PM)
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Companies will just say why should we pay for it so the Government either shuts them down or does it themselves and sends them a list to delete every day or do nothing or actually pays companies, could you believe that?
jimbobsmells
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(05-19-2017, 05:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by KimonoNoNo

Won't using a VPN make most of this moot; unless they go after them aswell.

Difficult to do when VPNs are used more and more in business to facilitate things like remote working. Laws would have to be very specific, more so than the generic handwaving laws they have managed to come up with so far.
Tregard
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(05-19-2017, 05:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

As someone living in Northern Ireland, we don't even get a vote for any of the major parties. Labour doesn't run here, Lib Dems don't run here, the Greens aren't the same as those running in the rest of the UK.

Elections in the UK are a complete mess.
jelly
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(05-19-2017, 05:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Audioboxer



WARNING: SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE PROPAGANDA.

CEASE AND DESIST SENT TO PANDY'S ISP.

I didn't think people would be on board with a Yes vote again but jeez, every day is like alarm bells. They might still be better to dip their toe in just to get the feel then go for it just to be sure.
afroguy10
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(05-19-2017, 05:44 PM)
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Truly terrifying stuff. She's an authoritarian witch who's been trying to pass this sort of stuff for years and now with an incoming majority in June things are just gonna get darker.

I vaguely remember them floating the idea of identification or debit/credit card verification required for viewing adult material.

Further snopping powers being foisted on us using the excuse of "terrorism and safety" where browsing histories end stored on servers for years that your ISP has to maintain (which will definitely be done as cheap as possible).

Imagine if it leaked! Violent partners finding out their husband/wife have been searching on how to leave abusive relationships, children/teenagers being outed to their family/friends before they were ready to discuss it themselves, ultra conservative religious families finding out their children/grand children have had premarital sex or viewed adult material online or people holding political or social ideologies that they hide from those around them leaking. Just four of a countless number of scenarios that could crop up in the event this information is ever leaked.

I'm maybe coming across a bit tinfoil hatty but the Conservatives won't stop until they have complete control especially with an authoritarian like May in charge.
Stumpokapow
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(05-19-2017, 05:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Trokil

Please, places with strong support of post modernist ideologies like for example neogaf are very much in favor of regulating free speech or content on the internet and are just as much in the boat of censorship as the right is.

They just use different arguments why they are for regulation, but in the end they want both pretty much the same thing. That is why this left and right bubbles / echo chambers were built up in the first place, to not be confronted with speech or ideas or content you don't like or approve.

dang, post modernist ideologies
Sheroking
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(05-19-2017, 05:46 PM)
Theresa May is a hateful idiot, but when she wins, it will Corbyn's fault for not fucking off when it was clear a huge portion of the electorate didn't like him.

He's what Michael Ignatieff was in Canadian politics. Harper was just going to keep winning until they found a Justin Trudeau to put against him.
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travisbickle
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Originally Posted by s_mirage

No, sorry, but that's not necessarily true. British Conservatism is supposed to be about small government and minimal legislation. Instead, May's policies seem to be authoritarian, interventionist, and supporting of a big government with its fingers in everything: the opposite of what a lot of Conservatives believe in. The problem is that the whole Conservative party is riddled with career politicians who would support anything that secures their positions, rather than true ideologues. You don't exactly see massive anti-censorship campaigning from the Labour party either, do you? That's because a lot of their supporters gladly eat this kind of stuff up too.


There's no way all the old people are voting for free-market conservatism they vote for the traditional conservatism, the kind of shit Peter Hitchens drones on about.
Pandy
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(05-19-2017, 05:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Audioboxer



WARNING: SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE PROPAGANDA.

CEASE AND DESIST SENT TO PANDY'S ISP.

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SomTervo
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(05-19-2017, 05:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by s_mirage

Not just the Murdoch press, the BBC have been almost equally useless. It's almost as if being beholden to the government for funding has a chilling effect on their reporting.

I've been used to their shit since their inept reportage on Scottish Independence.

Completely see it continuing for this election.
Rktk
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(05-19-2017, 05:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

Yeah and "fuck the USA" for Trump right, you voted for him?
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(05-19-2017, 05:54 PM)
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(05-19-2017, 05:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

I haven't voted for this shit. Fuck May.
s_mirage
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(05-19-2017, 05:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by travisbickle

There's no way all the old people are voting for free-market conservatism they vote for the traditional conservatism, the kind of shit Peter Hitchens drones on about.

Maybe so, but it's not just conservative old people who vote for stuff like this. If you recall, Labour tried it's hand with a snooper's charter when it was in power too. At least the Conservative opposition of the time opposed it, which is a damn sight more than Corbyn's Labour have done.

A sizeable chunk of people who claim to be left wing also support nanny state politics and censorship "for the greater good".
Audioboxer
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(05-19-2017, 05:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by jelly

I didn't think people would be on board with a Yes vote again but jeez, every day is like alarm bells. They might still be better to dip their toe in just to get the feel then go for it just to be sure.

I'm just having a laugh with Pandy anyway. Even the Tories are making a "comeback" in Scotland.

Another referendum is going to happen here, it's just about timing. I cross my fingers the Brexit deal isn't utterly abysmal, but at the same time it may well be what tips the chances of Scotland leaving the UK.
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(05-19-2017, 05:58 PM)
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Fuck off, April. June, you stupid ho you go too.

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