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Morrigan Stark
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(05-19-2017, 05:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Trokil

Please, places with strong support of post modernist ideologies

The fuck does that even mean

like for example neogaf are very much in favor of regulating free speech or content on the internet and are just as much in the boat of censorship as the right is. They just use different arguments why they are for regulation, but in the end they want both pretty much the same thing. That is why this left and right bubbles / echo chambers were built up in the first place, to not be confronted with speech or ideas or content you don't like or approve.

No. Moderation isn't censorship. And moderation on privately-hosted platforms (online or otherwise) isn't the same thing as government intervention into free speech.

Goddamn, why do we keep having to repeat this explanation? Are people really so brain-dead that they think they're being censored when they get banned from a forum for calling people racial slurs or something?

Once again...



Originally Posted by Stumpokapow

dang, post modernist ideologies

I know right...
Plum
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(05-19-2017, 06:01 PM)
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The worst part of this all is that, if/when we finally come to our senses and vote someone decent in, they probably won't repeal any of the shit that's coming our way. This country's hopeless, I feel like I have to get out but don't have the money, contacts or skills to do so.
Anung
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(05-19-2017, 06:03 PM)
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Scotland needs to break away from these Tory lunatics asap.
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(05-19-2017, 06:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by HotHamBoy

When half of that fake news is coming from leaders like Trump and half of the real news is being called fake, do you really want government to decide what is true and what is not?

No, but there needs to be some way to ban the spread of actual fake news when it is deceptively posted as though it is real news.
StayDead
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(05-19-2017, 06:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Anung

Scotland needs to break away from these Tory lunatics asap.

Rather than break away, how about you help us get rid of these Tory lunatics.
Anung
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(05-19-2017, 06:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by StayDead

Rather than break away, how about you help us get rid of these Tory lunatics.

I'll be voting, for all the good it'll probably do.
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(05-19-2017, 06:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by s_mirage

Maybe so, but it's not just conservative old people who vote for stuff like this. If you recall, Labour tried it's hand with a snooper's charter when it was in power too. At least the Conservative opposition of the time opposed it, which is a damn sight more than Corbyn's Labour have done.

A sizeable chunk of people who claim to be left wing also support nanny state politics and censorship "for the greater good".


This whole conversation started with someone thinking the Tories were trying to lose votes with this legislation , I disagreed. I don't know why you keep bring up labour?
Kaako
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(05-19-2017, 06:09 PM)
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From the bottom of my heart:
Fuck off, May.
Screaming Meat
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(05-19-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Trokil

Please, places with strong support of post modernist ideologies

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Beefy
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(05-19-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Man, May is such a cunt.
31GhostsIV
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(05-19-2017, 06:15 PM)
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May and the Tories have been plotting this shit for years (pointless forced ISP parental filter, anyone?) and the snoopers charter getting through with barely a whimper means she'll continue to push this as far as she can.

Fuck off, May. You disgusting excuse for a human being.
Angry Grimace
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(05-19-2017, 06:17 PM)
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you will try
Pandy
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(05-19-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by StayDead

Rather than break away, how about you help us get rid of these Tory lunatics.

Since 1997 Scotland has either returned 0 or 1 Tory MPs to Westminster in a UK GE.

And looking down the stats a bit further, hasn't returned a majority of 'Conservative' seats since 1955.
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Razmos
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(05-19-2017, 06:19 PM)
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I keep misreading the thread title as "Regurgitate the internet" and imagining Theresa May as a shrivelled old bird feeding her chicks
playingwithfire
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(05-19-2017, 06:21 PM)
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Fucking hell. I'm 30, and I've never voted in my life, but that's changing on 8th June
animlboogy
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(05-19-2017, 06:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Trokil

Please, places with strong support of post modernist ideologies like for example neogaf are very much in favor of regulating free speech or content on the internet and are just as much in the boat of censorship as the right is.

They just use different arguments why they are for regulation, but in the end they want both pretty much the same thing. That is why this left and right bubbles / echo chambers were built up in the first place, to not be confronted with speech or ideas or content you don't like or approve.

You're pairing actual government-level top-down censorship with the idea that there are forums that will ban you for calling people the n-word. A dichotomy that is straight-up useless except to try to build a cultural acceptance of the idea that you're supposed to sit silently while someone spews bile at you in a private space.

"Post-modernist ideologies"? What does that even mean in this context? Is that what you dorks are rolling out now that everybody knows "Cultural Marxism" is a slight spin on an anti-semitic dogwhistle from Hitler's fucking Germany?
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(05-19-2017, 06:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Pandy

Since 1997 Scotland has either returned 0 or 1 Tory MPs to Westminster in a UK GE.

The Tories are polling quite well in Scotland due to Unionists. Every vote matters even in FPTP. It's a shit system, but we have to do our best.
Audioboxer
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(05-19-2017, 06:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by StayDead

Rather than break away, how about you help us get rid of these Tory lunatics.

The real problem is Labour in Scotland. If they didn't appear as Tory-lite and/or trying to outdo the Tories at "Unionism" they'd do two things

a) The party leaders could actually see eye to eye on a lot of stuff and also form a coalition (SNP/Labour)

b) Votes and seats would probably be more evenly split between Labour/SNP

Labour have lost lots of the strongest Unionists to the Conservatives (if they weren't already there). They need to stop being so scared to work with the SNP. Trying to fight for a more progressive UK doesn't mean they have to support Scottish independence. One thing the SNP do right is regardless of their ideological belief in independence, whilst they're in the UK they fight pretty damn hard against some of the most ridiculous things proposed or pushed through by the UK government.
Pandy
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(05-19-2017, 06:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by StayDead

The Tories are polling quite well in Scotland due to Unionists. Every vote matters even in FPTP. It's a shit system, but we have to do our best.

I'm more than aware, but you needn't worry. The Tories polling 'quite well in Scotland' is still going to see them outnumbered by SNP MPs by a minimum of 2 to 1.
zorlaczerohero
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(05-19-2017, 06:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by diaspora

This thread is about the UK government and PM. Incidentally, the same holds true of the left in Australia not necessarily being much (if any) more friendly to internet privacy and freedom than conservatives.

Australia has a left now? When the fuck did this happen?
TM94
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(05-19-2017, 06:37 PM)
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Imagine how much of a total cunt you'd have to be to vote Tory, after reading through this manifesto.

Just imagine that.


And there's millions of them.
YaGaMi
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(05-19-2017, 06:38 PM)
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Welcome to the free world.
SporeCrawler
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(05-19-2017, 06:38 PM)
Great UK has no constitutional rights so they can just go back to the middle ages
Pandy
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(05-19-2017, 06:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by TM94

Imagine how much of a total cunt you'd have to be to vote Tory, after reading through this manifesto.

Just imagine that.


And there's millions of them.

Millions of them read through the manifesto?
Hux1ey
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(05-19-2017, 06:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by jack_package_200

Ya'll better vote labor

Of course we will, the majority of the country probably won't though.
Theonik
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(05-19-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hux1ey

Of course we will, the majority of the country probably won't though.

The more young people don't vote because 'our vote doesn't matter' or 'the Tories will win anyway' the more likely it is they win.
Diabelli
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(05-19-2017, 06:52 PM)

"Some people say that it is not for government to regulate when it comes to technology and the internet," it states. "We disagree."

lol, that's so unashamedly brazen. You want basic human rights? We disagree.
Plasma
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(05-19-2017, 06:56 PM)
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May can fuck off.

Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

I must be mistaken when I remember voting for Labour in the last general election and voting to Remain in the referendum.
s_mirage
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(05-19-2017, 07:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by travisbickle

This whole conversation started with someone thinking the Tories were trying to lose votes with this legislation , I disagreed. I don't know why you keep bring up labour?

You're saying that Conservatives love this kind of thing and I don't think that's fair. As someone who's traditionally voted Conservative, I most certainly do not love this. I abhor the direction the party has gone in recent years, I am not alone, and I don't see how people supporting big government and big brother style policies can even call themselves Conservatives with a straight face. The main reason more people don't kick up a fuss is frankly because most people don't know about it, or won't speak up for fear of attack from the "somebody think of the children" brigade, who come from across the political spectrum.

Does that mean that the Conservatives are deliberately trying to lose? No, I agree with you there, they're not. However, I don't think that's because their supporters all love these policies, I think it's because May knows that the opposition is weak, won't fight them anyway, and there will never be a better time to push her authoritarian viewpoint with minimal scrutiny (see the general lack of press attention this is getting).

I bring Labour into it because overzealous government control is exactly the kind of crap the opposition should fight to prevent, yet will do little to oppose due to significant support for these kinds of policies amongst their own base and their own MPs. With the LibDems in their current withered state, to say I'm depressed and frustrated with the UK political scene is an understatement, and it's likely to come across by wandering off topic when I post.
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AHA-Lambda
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(05-19-2017, 07:08 PM)
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I'm getting beyond fucking sick of this shit now.

Every time I think it can't get worse...

Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

This. At least the majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump, whereas the UK is filled with turkeys that constantly vote for xmas.

"yeah living standards have fallen, and the cost of living has been rising, and we're all sick of it. Guess I'll vote for the same people who have been in charge for the last 7 years." >___>
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CharmingCharlie
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(05-19-2017, 07:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by AHA-Lambda

This. At least the majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump, whereas the UK is filled with turkeys that constantly vote for xmas

Erm last time I checked the majority did NOT vote for a Tory government. In the last general election only 37% voted for a Tory government. However the way our first past the post system works they get in. I can't even remember a time when a UK government got 50% of the vote.

Even with this general election the Tories will not get the majority of the votes. They will proabably get about 42- 44% but again the way our system works they will get in.
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Dan27
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(05-19-2017, 07:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by CharmingCharlie

I can't even remember a time when a UK government got 50% of the vote.

The early 1930s.
Pandy
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(05-19-2017, 07:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by CharmingCharlie

Erm last time I checked the majority did NOT vote for a Tory government. In the last general election only 37% voted for a Tory government. However the way our first past the post system works they get in. I can't even remember a time when a UK government got 50% of the vote.

Even with this general election the Tories will not get the majority of the votes. They will proabably get about 42- 44% but again the way our system works they will get in.

Originally Posted by Dan27

The early 1930s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...election,_1931
SomTervo
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(05-19-2017, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by playingwithfire

Fucking hell. I'm 30, and I've never voted in my life, but that's changing on 8th June

Voting under the current system is complete and utter bullshit - it's a sick system - but you should always do it regardless.
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(05-19-2017, 07:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

Fuck off with this bullshit.
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(05-19-2017, 07:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by AHA-Lambda

This. At least the majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump, whereas the UK is filled with turkeys that constantly vote for xmas.

How many votes do the third parties even get in America? Our system is also pretty broken. Let me show you
Votes:

Votes, of total, by party
Conservative (36.8%)
Labour (30.5%)
UKIP (12.7%)
Liberal Democrats (7.9%)
SNP (4.7%)
Green (3.8%)
DUP (0.6%)
Plaid Cymru (0.6%)
Sinn Féin (0.6%)
UUP (0.4%)
SDLP (0.3%)
Other (1.1%)

Seats:

MPs, of total, by party
Conservative (50.8%)
Labour (35.7%)
SNP (8.6%)
Liberal Democrats (1.2%)
DUP (1.2%)
Sinn Féin (0.6%)
Plaid Cymru (0.5%)
Social Democratic & Labour
Party (0.5%)
UUP (0.3%)
Green (0.2%)
Speaker (0.2%)
Sylvia Hermon (0.2%)
UKIP (0.2%)

So one vote could worth between 0.015 (UKIP) to 1.38 (Mayniacs).

Edit: Oh SNP was even higher...but it's not like they field MPs outside of Scotland.
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(05-19-2017, 07:46 PM)
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The new rules would include laws that make it harder than ever to access pornographic and other websites. The government will be able to place restrictions on seeing adult content and any exceptions would have to be justified to ministers, the manifesto suggests.

But of course. Can't have people looking at porn, just lie down and think of England.
sechsterangriff
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(05-19-2017, 07:46 PM)
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How long until they will cut-off the access to the Internet and announce their own "better version" exclusive to the UK and call it the Interlink?
Mexen
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(05-19-2017, 07:52 PM)
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That's... Wow
AgentLampshade
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(05-19-2017, 07:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spaced Harrier

No, Fuck the UK, you constantly vote for this shit.

I don't. Scotland as a whole doesn't. The 'united' part of 'United Kingdom' has never been more debatable.
Theonik
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(05-19-2017, 07:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by sechsterangriff

How long until they will cut-off the access to the Internet and announce their own "better version" exclusive to the UK and call it the Interlink?

Bring back SERCnet.
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(05-19-2017, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mammoth Jones

Go tell Theresa May that....

There are several countries that aren't going down the path of the UK right now that still have laws against what may and may not be said online, like hate speech, is my point.
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(05-19-2017, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Easy_D

There are several countries that aren't going down the path of the UK right now that still have laws against what may and may not be said online, like hate speech, is my point.

Correct.
Osahi
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(05-19-2017, 08:43 PM)
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Well, let's hope this brings the young vote out to get her out of downing street
s_mirage
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(05-19-2017, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by Osahi

Well, let's hope this brings the young vote out to get her out of downing street

The problem is, who do they vote for? The only major party that's virtually certain of not trying the same thing are the LibDems, but they aren't getting close to an election victory. The best scenario IMO would be a hung parliament, but even that doesn't look likely at the moment.
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(05-19-2017, 08:52 PM)
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We need to hurry up the search for the horcuxes and finish her.
Muppet of a Man
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(05-19-2017, 08:53 PM)
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Right-wing fascists, get fucked every day.
RoyaleDuke
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(05-19-2017, 08:53 PM)
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It all falls into place really.
oti
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(05-19-2017, 08:54 PM)
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I am kinda curious to see how the British Leage of Supervillains would want to regulate the internet, I must admit.
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Originally Posted by oti

I am kinda curious to see how the British Leage of Supervillains would want to regulate the internet, I must admit.

I'd guess websites would have to meet a quota of one British flag per page, so everyone can feel the patriotism

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