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Apath
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(05-20-2017, 02:21 AM)
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It is not just voter fatigue. You have multiple people doing amazing things this year, last year, and the year before.
Undefined
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(05-20-2017, 02:22 AM)
He was kinda coasting in the regular season, even though he was still great.
He will probably coast even more in the coming years, but then explode in the playoffs like he is right now.
GeoramA
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(05-20-2017, 02:22 AM)
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When you already know you're the king and everybody calls you the king, who cares about some stupid trophy?
theWB27
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(05-20-2017, 02:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by GeoramA

When you already know you're the king and every calls you the king, who cares about some stupid trophy?

Jordan stans who keep wanting to pretend he's the dafacto greatest ever
DontBeThatGuy
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(05-20-2017, 02:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by theWB27

Jordan stans who keep wanting to pretend he's the dafacto greatest ever

(he is)
theWB27
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(05-20-2017, 02:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by DontBeThatGuy

(he is)

Don't be that guy
Syphon Filter
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(05-20-2017, 02:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by theWB27

Jordan stans who keep wanting to pretend he's the dafacto greatest ever

he is, nothing wrong with bron being after him.
Hollywood Duo
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(05-20-2017, 02:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Syphon Filter

he is, nothing wrong with bron being after him.

Plus Bron's career isn't over yet. If he wins like 10 more rings it'll be a different discussion.
DontBeThatGuy
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(05-20-2017, 02:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

Plus Bron's career isn't over yet. If he wins like 10 more rings it'll be a different discussion.

10 still might not be enough, I dunno.
rokkerkory
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(05-20-2017, 02:29 AM)
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Kawhi fasho

From a dubs fan
theWB27
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(05-20-2017, 02:29 AM)
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I don't want to derail the thread
Syphon Filter
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(05-20-2017, 02:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by DontBeThatGuy

10 still might not be enough, I dunno.

10 will be enough, cant even imagine him getting that much.
phanphare
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(05-20-2017, 02:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by theWB27

Jordan stans who keep wanting to pretend he's the dafacto greatest ever

I mean, I guess you could make the argument for kareem as 1b to MJ's 1a

so there's that
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(05-20-2017, 02:31 AM)
It doesn't seem to be bothering him too much at the moment.
Hollywood Duo
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(05-20-2017, 02:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by uncredited male

It doesn't seem to be bothering him too much at the moment.

He's taking out his anger on the pathetic Celtics.
Syphon Filter
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(05-20-2017, 02:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

He's taking out his anger on the pathetic Celtics.

i doubt born cares, he was dominating before this.
jdstorm
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(05-20-2017, 02:35 AM)

Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

You are probably right even tho I think Westbrook was clearly padding his stats.

And Lebron has never done that... come on now. By that definition Lebron was padding his assist stats by playing with guys who could shoot. Lebron is a good player, but the Lebron is the undisputed best player when he tries hard narative is stupid. He isnt. Guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, Curry, Davis, Cousins ect are just as good.
phanphare
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(05-20-2017, 02:40 AM)
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if you're watching this game right now this is why lebron wasn't the regular season mvp

Originally Posted by jdstorm

And Lebron has never done that... come on now. By that definition Lebron was padding his assist stats by playing with guys who could shoot. Lebron is a good player, but the Lebron is the undisputed best player when he tries hard narative is stupid. He isnt. Guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, Curry, Davis, Cousins ect are just as good.

lebron is the undisputed best player in the league
finowns
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(05-20-2017, 02:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

You are probably right even tho I think Westbrook was clearly padding his stats.

Who doesn't? What Westbrook did was very very difficult no matter what.
Uno Venova
(05-20-2017, 02:43 AM)
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ok? its still Westbrook who cares who's not on the shortlist
phanphare
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(05-20-2017, 02:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by finowns

Who doesn't? What Westbrook did was very very difficult no matter what.

eh, when you look at how he got his rebounds it devalues his triple double average for me

he didn't contest 3's so he could board the miss, had an agreement with steven adams to yield boards to him, would box his own teammates out on missed free throws, etc.

great season but I'd put kawhi and harden ahead
Falchion
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(05-20-2017, 02:44 AM)
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Westbrook is going to win me a dinner when he gets named MVP.
jman2050
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(05-20-2017, 02:45 AM)
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Westbrook, Harden and Kawhi were amazing this year so I don't see the problem with this.

Lebron doesn't care about the regular season anymore, he's not gonna go chasing MVPs.
Anth0ny
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(05-20-2017, 02:45 AM)
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lebron wasn't trying during reg season lol



playoff lebron he transforms into jordan
Killa Sasa
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(05-20-2017, 02:47 AM)
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Why should he get the MVP without trying? He normalized himself even with the career high averages in helpers and boards. Really his own damn fault. Still top 5 on cruise control.

Playoff Lebron however is basically Goku but with focus.
Caddywompus
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(05-20-2017, 02:49 AM)
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This is TNT's fan voting award not the NBA.

I've never seen the Best Style Award handed out in any official capacity.
TigerKnee
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(05-20-2017, 02:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

Guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, Curry, Davis, Cousins ect are just as good.

SMH...
Spinluck
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(05-20-2017, 02:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

And Lebron has never done that... come on now. By that definition Lebron was padding his assist stats by playing with guys who could shoot. Lebron is a good player, but the Lebron is the undisputed best player when he tries hard narative is stupid. He isnt. Guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, Curry, Davis, Cousins ect are just as good.

Nope.
Stat Flow
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(05-20-2017, 02:53 AM)
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I think the only year LeBron definitely didn't deserve MVP was last year when Curry went absolutely nuts...and MAYBE Westbrook this year.

Crazy how newer NBA fans try to put LeBron ahead of Jordan. I get that if you've never seen Jordan you may not get it, but Jordan was an absolute basketball god.
theWB27
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(05-20-2017, 02:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by TigerKnee

SMH...

Real talk cousins was in that mess of a paragraph. Demarcus cousins is just as good as lebron James.

I grew up watching Jordan and he's A basketball god... Not thee
jdstorm
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(05-20-2017, 02:55 AM)

Originally Posted by phanphare

if you're watching this game right now this is why lebron wasn't the regular season mvp



Lebron is the undisputed best player in the league

Undisputed. Come on now. Its sports. Everything is disputed.

Lebron wasn't the best player in the NBA this season at any Unique stat http://www.basketball-reference.com/...7_leaders.html

Nor was he the best in the "Catch all" stats. So aside from the "I like Lebron" arguement there is no impirical evidence to suggest that Lebron was the best of anything this season.
bionic77
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(05-20-2017, 02:56 AM)
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Shaq, Duncan and Kobe all won only 1 MVP.

Steve Nash won two.

This is not an award that anyone should take seriously.
Syphon Filter
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(05-20-2017, 02:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

And Lebron has never done that... come on now. By that definition Lebron was padding his assist stats by playing with guys who could shoot. Lebron is a good player, but the Lebron is the undisputed best player when he tries hard narative is stupid. He isnt. Guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, Curry, Davis, Cousins ect are just as good.

harden is overrated and got exposed already. none of those guys come close to lebron expect leonard and KD.
Perfect Blue
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(05-20-2017, 02:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

And Lebron has never done that... come on now. By that definition Lebron was padding his assist stats by playing with guys who could shoot. Lebron is a good player, but the Lebron is the undisputed best player when he tries hard narative is stupid. He isnt. Guys like Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, Curry, Davis, Cousins ect are just as good.

wow lol and here I thought LeBron haters disappeared after last year's NBA Finals.
phanphare
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(05-20-2017, 03:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

Undisputed. Come on now. Its sports. Everything is disputed.

Lebron wasn't the best player in the NBA this season at any Unique stat http://www.basketball-reference.com/...7_leaders.html

Nor was he the best in the "Catch all" stats. So aside from the "I like Lebron" arguement there is no impirical evidence to suggest that Lebron was the best of anything this season.

nah it's really not disputed

cool regular season stats tho
jdstorm
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(05-20-2017, 03:01 AM)

Originally Posted by Syphon Filter

harden is overrated and got exposed already. none of those guys come close to lebron expect leonard and KD.

By what evidence?

Originally Posted by Perfect Blue

wow lol and here I thought LeBron haters disappeared after last year's NBA Finals.

Who's hating? Citing evidence that suggests Lebron isnt the best player in basketball isnt hating. Its having a fact based worldview.
clemenx
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(05-20-2017, 03:02 AM)
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It's ok, he sacrificed the last 2 months of the regular season to do what he's doing right now.

Poor Celtics
phanphare
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(05-20-2017, 03:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

By what evidence?

his disappearing act in the playoffs this year
Nastrodamous
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(05-20-2017, 03:03 AM)
Lebron is at +43 right now.

lol celtics.
jdstorm
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(05-20-2017, 03:08 AM)

Originally Posted by phanphare

his disappearing act in the playoffs this year

That is an unquantifiable oppinion not evidence.

Evidence would be something like. These are Hardens specific measurable statistics in the playoffs and here are how they compare to Lebron. Even still a <15 game sample size is hardly indicitive of individual effectiveness. Especially when Harden has primarily been guarded by two of the best defensive players in the NBA (Kawhi Leonard and Andre Roberson) while Lebron has faced significantly inferior oposition. (All of which can be proven by impirical standards)
phanphare
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(05-20-2017, 03:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

That is an unquantifiable oppinion not evidence.

Evidence would be something like. These are Hardens specific measurable statistics in the playoffs and here are how they compare to Lebron. Even still a <15 game sample size is hardly indicitive of individual effectiveness. Especially when Harden has primarily been guarded by two of the best defensive players in the NBA (Kawhi Leonard and Andre Roberson) while Lebron has faced significantly inferior oposition. (All of which can be proven by impirical standards)

37 minutes, 10 points, 2 for 11 from the field, 2 for 9 from 3, 6 turnovers, -28 +/- in an elimination game

that will follow harden until he does something in the playoffs to wash it away
jman2050
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(05-20-2017, 03:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

That is an unquantifiable oppinion not evidence.

Evidence would be something like. These are Hardens specific measurable statistics in the playoffs and here are how they compare to Lebron. Even still a <15 game sample size is hardly indicitive of individual effectiveness. Especially when Harden has primarily been guarded by two of the best defensive players in the NBA (Kawhi Leonard and Andre Roberson) while Lebron has faced significantly inferior oposition. (All of which can be proven by impirical standards)

This is what happens when you try to analyze basketball like you would baseball.
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(05-20-2017, 03:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

By definition it's the best player.

is the best car also the most valusable car?
Atomic Playboy
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Originally Posted by Perfect Blue

wow lol and here I thought LeBron haters disappeared after last year's NBA Finals.

That guy's a little bit out there (Cousins? Really?). But I've always been a LeBron fan and he wouldn't make my top 3 this year for regular season MVP. Westbrook, Harden and Leonard put up better regular seasons than LeBron. I mean, LeBron didn't even secure the one seed, even though the Cavs are BY FAR the best team in the East (they're going to coast to the Finals without dropping a game in the playoffs). LeBron spent too much time coasting this year. Which is fine; a Finals trophy is better than an MVP. But the best player giving 70% effort is not as impressive as a lesser player going balls out every single night.
idlewild_
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(05-20-2017, 03:22 AM)
Poor Celtics, LeBron must have seen the news this morning.
Raonak
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He is probably the best individual player that carries his team hard.

But id give it to Westbrook. Goddamn, that dude is the team.
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(05-20-2017, 03:36 AM)
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LeBron James Supernova
mjp2417
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(05-20-2017, 03:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by jdstorm

That is an unquantifiable oppinion not evidence.

Evidence would be something like. These are Hardens specific measurable statistics in the playoffs and here are how they compare to Lebron. Even still a <15 game sample size is hardly indicitive of individual effectiveness. Especially when Harden has primarily been guarded by two of the best defensive players in the NBA (Kawhi Leonard and Andre Roberson) while Lebron has faced significantly inferior oposition. (All of which can be proven by impirical standards)

You're embarrassing yourself right now.
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(05-20-2017, 03:40 AM)
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if lebron wanted the mvp, hed go get it


lol regular season
Friggz
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(05-20-2017, 03:44 AM)
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Same reason mike trout hasn't won the MVP every year. It's a boring pick becuase he's clearly the best player in the league.

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