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bigkrev
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(04-03-2017, 10:47 PM)
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Feel bad for the people who own hundreds of Expertise cards as a long term spec but this is a rare good thing from Wizards
aidan
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(04-03-2017, 10:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by bigkrev

Feel bad for the people who own hundreds of Expertise cards as a long term spec but this is a rare good thing from Wizards

Speculating is always Boom//Bust.
bigkrev
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(04-03-2017, 10:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by aidan

Speculating is always Boom//Bust.

There are guys (James Chillcot at MTGPrice for example) who have been buying up foil copies of the Red and White expertises for a few months now.
Rafy
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(04-03-2017, 10:55 PM)
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Can someone explain the change of how the split cards function in simpler terms? I am either too tired or an idiot and but I don't get it.
Poppy
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(04-03-2017, 11:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rafy

Can someone explain the change of how the split cards function in simpler terms? I am either too tired or an idiot and but I don't get it.

if the spell isnt on the stack, eg it is in your hand or library or gy or whatever, the cmc of the spell is the sum of the cmc of both sides of the spell

i think
Wulfric
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(04-03-2017, 11:02 PM)
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PS2 CGI trailer for Amonkhet. They're getting better though. Just very slowly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-hV...ature=youtu.be
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(04-03-2017, 11:02 PM)

Originally Posted by aidan

Non-legendary creatures don't represent an individual (and are genderless as a result). So, some Enthralling Victors are gay, some aren't.

They are actually gendered for languages where it matters.
Imperfected
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(04-03-2017, 11:03 PM)
I get that it's absolutely vital to periodically shame mono-red players, but I feel like maybe you should have used the first big reveal of the set to show off an interesting god card to get people excited, not just to indulge RDW players in their masochism fetish.
El Topo
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(04-03-2017, 11:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Imperfected

I get that it's absolutely vital to periodically shame mono-red players, but I feel like maybe you should have used the first big reveal of the set to show off an interesting god card to get people excited, not just to indulge RDW players in their masochism fetish.

No, no, they have to learn the hard way.
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(04-03-2017, 11:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Familienoberhauptvogel

They are actually gendered for languages where it matters.

Isn't that not always correct?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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(04-03-2017, 11:08 PM)

Originally Posted by Simply Sarah

Again, despite both being 3x, a conditional 5/4 creature with indestructible, haste, and a functional ability is not the same thing as an effectively 4/3 creature with haste. Hazoret is 100% the better card in Constructed even if she takes more effort to work.

I think the crocodile would be 100% better than hazoret if it were red.

Originally Posted by Firemind

i'm talking about limited

both are uncommons but a 1/2 menace is legit unplayable

never mind green gets haste. feels like a slap in the face.

Haste is tertiary green that's not news. I'm not gonna put up a gallery but from colourshifted ball lightnings to vengenie to craterhoof,... the list goes on and on.

Originally Posted by TheBlackMarvel

Isn't that not always correct?

Not anymore. Bastion Enforcer from Kaladesh for instance is a chick.
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Firemind
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(04-03-2017, 11:14 PM)
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Think about it. A crocodile with haste.

This is almost as bad as a reanimated tree being as fast as a ball of lightning.
traveler
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(04-03-2017, 11:17 PM)
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Not that I like green continuing to do things better than other colors, but crocodiles are pretty fast. Not really a flavor fail.
Rafy
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(04-03-2017, 11:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Poppy

if the spell isnt on the stack, eg it is in your hand or library or gy or whatever, the cmc of the spell is the sum of the cmc of both sides of the spell

i think

Thanks
divisionbyzorro
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(04-04-2017, 12:05 AM)
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The new split card rules are a really good change. Hosing some niche strategies is frustrating, but the end result is much cleaner and easier to understand. It's for the best. I'm actually really happy about it.
Santiako
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(04-04-2017, 12:05 AM)
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I'm guessing this change is due to a 1-2 CMC aftermath card that has a huge CMC grave side that would be problematic if cheated.
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(04-04-2017, 12:40 AM)
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My emotional reaction to the split-card change is extremely negative, but I can't really disagree that it's a good choice for them to make. This is one of those cases where I feel like the combo space it opens up in larger formats is fun and interesting, though, so it's a shame to lose it.

Originally Posted by aidan

Speculating is always Boom//Bust.

Poppy
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(04-04-2017, 12:46 AM)
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poor brain in the jar, we hardly knew ye
red13th
(04-04-2017, 01:21 AM)
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I was looking for cards for a new cube project I'm doing and one of the themes in Bant is enchantments. Sterling Grove would fit like a glove, but this project is modern-frame only and they have never reprinted Sterling Grove, and I hate that.

They even have the cool Seb McKinnon art from Duels 2014 (linked since it's not a spoiler during spoiler season). I hate them for not reprinting it. :x
Wulfric
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(04-04-2017, 01:28 AM)
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I don't care what anyone says, it's the perfect time to reprint this...

Infinite Stars
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(04-04-2017, 01:36 AM)
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Thank Cat Jesus that they're getting rid of Split Card Bullshit. I get it, Expertises are cool. You know what's less cool? Getting Turn 2 Killed by " Land #2, SSG, Kari Zev's Expertise->Breaking/Entering->Emrakul, Swing for 15" because you went "Land, 1 Drop, go"
Keru_Shiri
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(04-04-2017, 01:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by El Topo

No, no, they have to learn the hard way.

Been playing mono-red since Tempest, some of us never learn.
Imperfected
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(04-04-2017, 01:44 AM)

Originally Posted by Infinite Stars

Thank Cat Jesus that they're getting rid of Split Card Bullshit. I get it, Expertises are cool. You know what's less cool? Getting Turn 2 Killed by " Land #2, SSG, Kari Zev's Expertise->Breaking/Entering->Emrakul, Swing for 15" because you went "Land, 1 Drop, go"

You knew what you were getting into with the way you played that land.
Muskieratboi
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(04-04-2017, 01:54 AM)
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So, anyone see any accidental infinite/jank combos yet? I know Nest Of Scarabs is pretty freaking nasty...
Imperfected
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(04-04-2017, 01:56 AM)

Originally Posted by Muskieratboi

So, anyone see any accidental infinite/jank combos yet? I know Nest Of Scarabs is pretty freaking nasty...

If they dropped an accidental infinite in the first day of spoilers, it would be time for basically everyone to get fired.
Yeef
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(04-04-2017, 01:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Firemind

Also I'm pretty dumbfounded that they thought: "Hellbent was a great mechanic. Let's give this god Hellbent!"

More likely, the B/R limited archetype is cycling matters, which also goes along with madness in constructed.

Originally Posted by Santiako

Big functional change to split cards:



No more casting Boom/Bust from Dwellers, no more free big spells from Kari Zev's Expertise :/

(Straight from Tabak on reddit)

No more Fire/Ice on Isochron Scepters! That's killing a really long interaction :(

It wasn't Tabak, it was Eli Shiffrin, the current Rules Manager.
Angry Grimace
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(04-04-2017, 01:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Imperfected

If they dropped an accidental infinite in the first day of spoilers, it would be time for basically everyone to get fired.

...like the one that's a Tier 1 deck in Standard right now?
Imperfected
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(04-04-2017, 02:02 AM)

Originally Posted by Angry Grimace

...like the one that's a Tier 1 deck in Standard right now?

That one was just "it's time for most of development to get fired". Round #2 is when Damnation gets dropped.
Infinite Stars
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(04-04-2017, 02:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Imperfected

You knew what you were getting into with the way you played that land.

No, I really didn't. What was I supposed to do, hold up the path against Emrakul? It's kind of bullshit that Reanimator got even more goodies in Kaladesh block when Blue can't even manage to get a non-shitty new counter in Standard.

I don't think a format where I need to either play black so I can stop degenerate bullshit from killing me on Turn 2 by Thoughtsiezing or permanently hold up Mana for a counter in Blue is a good format, especially when they continue to keep SSG(which is nothing but a card used solely to accelerate bullshit) in the format.

You can't answer Breaking//Entering because it's all one spell, meaning that when they Mill into Emrakul Aeon's Torn both the shuffle Trigger/Relic are too slow.
Santiako
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(04-04-2017, 02:22 AM)
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Living End can run now Dead/Gone, Rough/Tumble and Wear/Tear for early interaction if they want.
OnPoint
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(04-04-2017, 02:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by Angry Grimace

...like the one that's a Tier 1 deck in Standard right now?

They mulliganed the last one, so they got to scry this one to the bottom.

Nevermind that the combo exists, ruining my joke.
Transhuman
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(04-04-2017, 02:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by Infinite Stars

Thank Cat Jesus that they're getting rid of Split Card Bullshit. I get it, Expertises are cool. You know what's less cool? Getting Turn 2 Killed by " Land #2, SSG, Kari Zev's Expertise->Breaking/Entering->Emrakul, Swing for 15" because you went "Land, 1 Drop, go"

Doesn't Kari Zev's Expertise need a target
Adaren
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(04-04-2017, 02:54 AM)
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Speculation: the green crocodile could be indicative of a "survival of the fittest" theme in Green. Big, undercosted creatures that give your smaller creatures penalties, but if you don't have enough smaller creatures then they give themselves a penalty. It would fit the trial of strength theme of Amonkhet, and I think it could lead to some interesting card synergies.
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(04-04-2017, 02:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Infinite Stars

What was I supposed to do, hold up the path against Emrakul?

ummm...
Ozigizo
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(04-04-2017, 02:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wulfric

PS2 CGI trailer for Amonkhet. They're getting better though. Just very slowly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-hV...ature=youtu.be

So...Gideon passes the trials to fight the god instead of being impaled.
Ashodin
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(04-04-2017, 03:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ozigizo

So...Gideon passes the trials to fight the god instead of being impaled.

he's saving the dude
OnPoint
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(04-04-2017, 03:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by red13th

ummm...

Shhhhh
Ashodin
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(04-04-2017, 03:18 AM)
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yo fucking rip boom and bust sauce
bigkrev
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(04-04-2017, 03:33 AM)
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I really like how Wizards uses haste on mono-green creatures. They only use it if they think the card is legitimatly playable

Here are all the natural haste creatures in green that have been printed in the last 10 years:


Infinite Stars
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(04-04-2017, 04:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Transhuman

Doesn't Kari Zev's Expertise need a target

They run forbidden Orchid for this exact purpose.

Originally Posted by red13th

ummm...

That's my point. I Know Emrakul has protection, so the original "You did this by playing your land that way" was bullshit regardless. In a hand of Scooze, Hierarch, Path, 3 Lands, Thalia, tell me, what exact answer do I have to fused Breaking//Entering on Turn 2? This is preboard,obviously, but even Post-board Turn 2 Going off means they dodge Rest in Peace when they're on the Play.
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Yeef
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Originally Posted by Infinite Stars

They run forbidden Orchid for this exact purpose.

That's my point. I Know Emrakul has protection, so the original "You did this by playing your land that way" was bullshit regardless. In a hand of Scooze, Hierarch, Path, 3 Lands, Thalia, tell me, what exact answer do I have to fused Breaking//Entering on Turn 2? This is preboard,obviously, but even Post-board Turn 2 Going off means they dodge Rest in Peace when they're on the Play.

Uh...
Imperfected
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(04-04-2017, 05:27 AM)

Originally Posted by Infinite Stars

They run forbidden Orchid for this exact purpose.

That's my point. I Know Emrakul has protection, so the original "You did this by playing your land that way" was bullshit regardless. In a hand of Scooze, Hierarch, Path, 3 Lands, Thalia, tell me, what exact answer do I have to fused Breaking//Entering on Turn 2? This is preboard,obviously, but even Post-board Turn 2 Going off means they dodge Rest in Peace when they're on the Play.

What they're trying to say is that I don't actually think you should be getting Turn 2 Emrakul'd. I actually don't play the format for precisely this type of reason.
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(04-04-2017, 05:31 AM)
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I wonder, is every embalm creature going to be white?

Hazoret is pretty disappointing. I imagine she could still be good in Standard, but that's another red spell that's boring but practical.

The cartouches and trials are an unexpected theme. I feel like we've been getting a lot of enchantments that are really more like sorceries in recent years.

I like Nest of Scarabs, that's a great way to represent that flavor.
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(04-04-2017, 05:37 AM)
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That's one cool cat.
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(04-04-2017, 05:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by SigmasonicX



I wonder, is every embalm creature going to be white?

I think if they were going to be they wouldn't have bothered including the bit about Embalm making the creature white.
Yeef
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(04-04-2017, 05:46 AM)
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This is a card I really want to see the token for, Mummified cat!
kirblar
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(04-04-2017, 05:49 AM)
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The Torrential Gearhulk-Sorcery interaction really makes it seem like MTGO's the culprit here w/ the rules wonkiness w/ being able to cast the "wrong" half.
SigmasonicX
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(04-04-2017, 05:54 AM)
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Oh, here's the mummy cat.
Santiako
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(04-04-2017, 06:01 AM)
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Nice card but unless there's tons of x/1s or good embalm synergies looks unplayable even in sealed.
Takuan
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(04-04-2017, 06:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by pelicansurf

That's one cool cat.

I agree.

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