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Crayolan
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Hitler.
Lamel
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Lil Uzi Vert.
PSqueak
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Originally Posted by ForsakenLotus

Hitler.

Edit: I feel like we should limit it to people we factually know existed.

If you're saying this in response to the Jesus Christ answers, Jesus Christ is an actual historical person that existed, now any divine traits religion has attached to him? that's a different topic entirely.

My answer is Hitler as well tho.
Morrigan Stark
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Actually, maybe Einstein is more famous still?

I'm thinking world-wide. I wonder how familiar, say, Chinese kids are about Caesar, but surely they know Hitler and Einstein.
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Id be amenable to considering Moses if I were more certain he existed, same goes for Big J
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

I'm open to that line of thinking. Religion has dominated world history for millennia

Well obviously you're opened to it since you're the one who brought that line of thinking lol, my answer is still Jesus though.
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Originally Posted by Makonero

Jesus Christ.

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(04-21-2017, 12:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

I'm open to that line of thinking. Religion has dominated world history for millennia

What are you getting at? You're confusing multiple people in this thread.
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Donald Trump
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gotta be jesus
as louis ck mentioned in his special recently - i mean what year is it? 2017 since jesus.
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Originally Posted by nasax

Well obviously you're opened to it since you're the one who brought that line of thinking lol, my answer is still Jesus though.

That was my answer too so carry on.
jungomitis
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(04-21-2017, 12:34 AM)
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It's probably a religious leader like Jesus or Moses.

If you want to think about someone from the last 50 years. I can see it being Obama or Trump. Being the US president when the world population is 7 billion people might mean that the most people ever recognize you.
Chibot
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Originally Posted by ForsakenLotus

Hitler.

Edit: I feel like we should limit it to people we factually know existed.

Yes, this exactly.
4Tran
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If we restrict ourselves to historical figures that we know existed, then Mohammed is a pretty good choice. Genghis Khan is also pretty well known.

Originally Posted by Arc

It's gotta be Julius Caesar right?

Everyone who knows about Julius Caesar would know about Alexander the Great as well. And there will be people in Central Asia who would know about Alexander without ever hearing about Julius Caesar.
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Originally Posted by nasax

And Moses is in the Torah, Bible and Quaran so the answer is Moses.

There's no real proof that Moses was a real person (more towards the opposite really), so I don't think he counts. The others were mystified after their deaths, but at least their existence is pretty well established.
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Originally Posted by jungomitis

It's probably a religious leader like Jesus or Moses.

If you want to think about someone from the last 50 years. I can see it being Obama or Trump. Being the US president when the world population is 7 billion people might mean that the most people ever recognize you.

I think Muhammad Ali has it for current day.
Cocaloch
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Originally Posted by Arc

Jesus and Mohammed happened because of things Ceasar did.

That's a weird way to look at fame...

Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

Only because he is the the Quran. Otherwise it's be Muhammad by a landslide.

There are more Christians than Muslims so that's an odd argument to make.
Oersted
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Jesus. Religious and Pop Icon in a way, hard to beat that. Mohammed and Moses are good calls, but they lack the massmedia impact.
ZOONAMI
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Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, or Moses

All probably up there
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Originally Posted by poppedcollar69

Donald Trump

Donald trump will be a foot note in history unless he goes full hitler, and if he does he'll still be less famous than hitler.

Trump will be in the same league as all those other presidents you never remember existed.
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Rick Astley.
Osukaa
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Originally Posted by Mimosa97

Religious figure : Jesus
Historical figure : Hitler
Entertainer : Michael Jackson
Sportstar : Mohamed Ali
Scientist : Einstein

I can back this list.
ForsakenLotus
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Originally Posted by TTOOLL

I believe there are a lot of evidence pointing that Jesus existed. If he did all those miracles, well, that's another story.

I'm not a historical scholar, but it seems like most aspects of Jesus' life is in doubt other than a few basic things. This is putting aside the miraculous events.

So while historical Jesus most likely existed, his depiction is almost that of a fictions character. I suppose you could say the same thing about any religious or supernatural figure wherein the details are fuzzy but what is commonly represented are the potentially fabricated moments, miracles, etc. And I say potentially not to specifically doubt these things but to say that there is a separation between known fact and faith based belief - with some distant historical figures it's hard enough to nail down the facts, with important religioua figures it's exponentially more difficult.
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Jesus, Kim Kardashian
Hollywood Duo
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Originally Posted by Switch Back 9

What are you getting at? You're confusing multiple people in this thread.

My answer was Jesus because the whole western world knows him and Muslims are atleast tangentially aware of him.
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Until 9/11 bet half the world didn't even know who Muhammad was...

Jesus Christ and Christ are words we use to say for fuck sake.
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Originally Posted by Osukaa

I can back this list.

I think MJ maybe surpassed MA, Ali is a long time ago now. I'd say even Tiger woods is more well known than Ali now. Even Lebron. Probably some soccer dudes too. Ronaldo for sure.
Morrigan Stark
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Originally Posted by The Hamburglar

Until 9/11 bet half the world didn't even know who Muhammad was...

Jesus Christ and Christ are words we use to say for fuck sake.

Pretty sure people in Japan don't say "Jesus Christ" very often. Stop being so anglocentric.
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It's obviously Santa.
aBarreras
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Originally Posted by ZOONAMI

I think MJ maybe surpassed MA, Ali is a long time ago now. I'd say even Tiger woods is more well known than Ali now

i was thinkg too of michael jordan over ali
Big-E
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Jesus wasn't famous in his own time so that doesn't count. Muhammad we have sources on so it will be him.
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dril
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Michael Jackson.
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(04-21-2017, 12:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood Duo

My answer was Jesus because the whole western world knows him and Muslims are atleast tangentially aware of him.

Okay okay that makes sense. You can worded it strangely.
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(04-21-2017, 12:42 AM)
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Does Hitler have a theme song?

Didn't think so

Oersted
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Yay, first dp
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Originally Posted by aBarreras

i was thinkg too of michael jordan over ali

That would put Kobe at least in the same breath, right? He's hugely popular in China. Don't know about other places like Africa or in the Middle East.

Jordan's brand is bigger, but I don't THINK he was as big in China as Kobe was during his day.
Cocaloch
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(04-21-2017, 12:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by rucury

Kanye.

Yes.
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Originally Posted by Mimosa97

Entertainer : Michael Jackson

I would argue Elvis.
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The most famous sportsman ever is a football player, not something that can't really be argued.

Pele and Maradona are praised as gods in Brazil and Argentina, you'd have an easier time finding someone who knows about Messi or Cristiano Rolando today than any NBA player.
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Originally Posted by Lactose_Intolerant

Michael Jackson

Even tribes in the Amazon know who he is.

Of the past century, undeniably. MJ's death sparked a global mourning period typically reserved for heads of state or the Pope.
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Originally Posted by PSY・S

dril

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My initial thought after Jesus and Adolf Hitler was Genghis Khan. Now I know the areas that his empire covered may not all have been densely populated, but the sheer size of it had to come with some serious recognition. I'd be curious to see how he stacked up to Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great and such due to the drastic differences in the population densities.
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Even as an atheist, Jesus is the most famous.

You have to remember tons of kids who were just born were already exposed to him.
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Obama would be up there. Whole world took notice.
Cocaloch
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Originally Posted by ForsakenLotus

I'm not a historical scholar

The word is historian.

Originally Posted by ForsakenLotus

but it seems like most aspects of Jesus' life is in doubt other than a few basic things.

This is true for the overwhelming majority of people in the historical record.

Originally Posted by ForsakenLotus

So while historical Jesus most likely existed, his depiction is almost that of a fictions character..

I mean this is to some degree true for the majority of people we know well from before the early-modern period. Jesus moreso than many, but it's a question of degree not kind.

Originally Posted by ForsakenLotus

And I say potentially not to specifically doubt these things but to say that there is a separation between known fact and faith based belief - with some distant historical figures it's hard enough to nail down the facts, with important religioua figures it's exponentially more difficult.

You'll find that distinction is incredibly fuzzy until the 16th century or so.
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Mitochondrial Eve aka Darth Momma
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Slight tangent, but does the perception of a figure versus historical evidence matter at all? For instance, most scholars believe there was a man named Jesus who at least a few events described in the Bible and other texts line up, but there is a big gap between historical evidence and what millions of people believe. Same with Muhammad, although my cursory Googling shows possibly less historical evidence that the man existed. The same might be true of the first Buddha.

But my point isn't specifically to say any one of these people didn't exist, but rather can they count if so little is actually known versus the widespread belief of events based on believers of their respective faiths?

Maybe it shouldn't matter at all. I don't know. Thoughts?

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