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op_ivy
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(05-18-2017, 02:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rumblebones

The man goes by the name of Notorious, walks out to Hypnotize, has rocked the Biggie look


references hip hop lyrics all the time, including once where he got in trouble for it making a comment about Ronda and Miesha Tate quoting Dr Dre


and has coped the Joe Frazier look


... but he ain't emulating black culture, nah. It's merely coincidence people insist on referring to him as the Muhammad Ali of MMA - a claim he has respectfully refuted every time because he knows what's up.

Nah, it ain't Conor taking from black culture. It's black people like Kevin Lee emulating him.

Get outta here.

Why people gotta be so adamant black culture doesn't get emulated all the time? It's not even like that's a problem. I ain't got a problem with it. My only problem is ignorant dickheads online claiming actual black people are the ones doing the copying. Fuck that noise.



Bruh, this defensiveness is embarrassing. You've missed the point by a mile.

How are you lacking this much awareness to suggest people are aping Conor with the El Chapo look - when that isn't, nor has it ever been Conor's look, and has been around for decades before he even thought of coping it. Conor didn't make that look, nor did he make it iconic.

As for Lee, he was coping Russell Westbrook's look. You know, that black basketball player up for MVP this year? He even shouted him out on twitter.


Now I know you would have thought better if it weren't for the notion of a white man copying black people. I see you.

Connor is a Jack ass that lifts his whole persona from wherever he pleases.

It ain't exclusive to black culture
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(05-18-2017, 03:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by FUME5

I'm not moving any goalposts.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here, I just think he's playing the fight game.

Whatever, dude. Carry on.

Originally Posted by op_ivy

Connor is a Jack ass that lifts his whole persona from wherever he pleases.

It ain't exclusive to black culture

I was tempted to bring this example up, but my point was more specific to black culture so I didn't.

But yeah, McGregor doesn't actually have a style of his own. He just emulates what he likes, and a lot of that happens to come from cultures foreign to his own. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that. There is something wrong with denying that's what he's doing, and there's something even more fucked up with accusing those whom belong to said culture of emulating McGregor.

This some real simple shit.
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(05-18-2017, 03:39 PM)
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I can't believe someone copied that Russell Westbrook getup.
Levito
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(05-18-2017, 04:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heel

Michael Bisping reveals knee injury will delay return but still wants GSP next

OH my god, this is amazing. Bisping ducking Yoel is comically transparent now.
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(05-18-2017, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by polyh3dron

Chicken.

Shit.

Heel.

Can I talk my shit again?

My point got demolished by the cunt himself, boo
Levito
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(05-18-2017, 05:36 PM)
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I honestly love how transparent the ducking is, it's just funny. HE KNOWS Yoel is going to kill him.
zewone
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(05-18-2017, 05:49 PM)
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Ducking a cheating bum or trying to make millions of dollars beating up a smaller, more popular man.

You decide.
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(05-18-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Hendo is the real champ.

he won that 2nd fight with no TRT in his fucking 40s
Syder
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(05-18-2017, 07:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fox318

Hendo is the real champ.

he won that 2nd fight with no TRT in his fucking 40s

Truth.
Levito
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(05-18-2017, 08:29 PM)
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Hendo beat his fucking ass.

Originally Posted by zewone

Ducking a cheating bum or trying to make millions of dollars beating up a smaller, more popular man.

You decide.

You just described 'ducking' and... 'ducking' again, nice work.
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(05-18-2017, 09:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Levito

Hendo beat his fucking ass.



You just described 'ducking' and... 'ducking' again, nice work.

One is fear the other is monetary gain. Choose whatever fits your narrative though.

Is Conor ducking Feguson by trying to make $100,000,000 fighting Mayweather?
Syder
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(05-18-2017, 10:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

One is fear the other is monetary gain. Choose whatever fits your narrative though.

Is Conor ducking Feguson by trying to make $100,000,000 fighting Mayweather?

Yes, he is.
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(05-18-2017, 10:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

One is fear the other is monetary gain. Choose whatever fits your narrative though.

Is Conor ducking Feguson by trying to make $100,000,000 fighting Mayweather?

Yeah.
zewone
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(05-18-2017, 10:32 PM)
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Yeah, you guys are ridiculous.
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(05-18-2017, 10:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

One is fear the other is monetary gain. Choose whatever fits your narrative though.

Is Conor ducking Feguson by trying to make $100,000,000 fighting Mayweather?



Conor's being a big more honest about it by taking a guaranteed loss for the money.
Rumblebones
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(05-18-2017, 10:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

Yeah, you guys are ridiculous.

Conor is the lightweight champion, it's incumbent on him to defend his title.

If he defends his title against Tony and loses, that weakens his position in negotiating terms for the Mayweather fight, possibly dramatically.

So Conor isn't going to fight Tony.

How are you struggling to grasp this?
zewone
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(05-18-2017, 10:58 PM)
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How are you struggling to grasp making 100 million dollars vs making 10 million dollars?

I'd like to see what you guys would decide if presented with the option.

Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Levito

Nah, that's you.

Ouch.
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Levito
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(05-18-2017, 11:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

Yeah, you guys are ridiculous.

Nah, that's you.


Also Bisping fighting GSP isn't even 1/1000 the amount of money Conor would make boxing Mayweather. Bisping is ducking all the middleweight contenders for a slightly better payday than what he normally gets isn't the same thing.
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zewone
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(05-18-2017, 11:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Levito

Also Bisping fighting GSP isn't even 1/1000 the amount of money Conor would make boxing Mayweather. Bisping is ducking all the middleweight contenders for a slightly better payday than what he normally gets isn't the same thing.

They're similar, just one is on a bigger level.

Instead of 10 million vs. 100 million, for Bisping it's closer to 2 million vs 8 million.

Again, I'd like to see what you would choose in his shoes.
Levito
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(05-18-2017, 11:09 PM)
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I mean I can't blame Bisping for not wanting to receive a Cuban scud missile to the temple, I'll give you that.
Heel
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(05-18-2017, 11:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

They're similar, just one is on a bigger level.

Instead of 10 million vs. 100 million, for Bisping it's closer to 2 million vs 8 million.

Again, I'd like to see what you would choose in his shoes.

The motivation doesn't mean it isn't ducking, though. He's ducking a fighter, and it's an intelligent move for his career.
zewone
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(05-18-2017, 11:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heel

The motivation doesn't mean it isn't ducking, though. He's ducking a fighter, and it's an intelligent move for his career.

Sure, but the motivation is important.

People calling him a coward or a chicken or whatever when the motivation is money for his family.

Feel free to be annoyed by the fact he's holding up the division, but don't blame him for asking for money fights. Especially an older guy like Bisping with numerous injuries, he likely doesn't have many fights left in his career.

He's making smart choices with his career, but it's easy to point fingers and call him a coward from behind your keyboards.
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(05-19-2017, 12:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

Sure, but the motivation is important.

People calling him a coward or a chicken or whatever when the motivation is money for his family.

Feel free to be annoyed by the fact he's holding up the division, but don't blame him for asking for money fights. Especially an older guy like Bisping with numerous injuries, he likely doesn't have many fights left in his career.

He's making smart choices with his career, but it's easy to point fingers and call him a coward from behind your keyboards.

Why should a fight fan rally behind someone politicking the division? I don't blame them at all.

People want to see fights. When you're finding reasons to support not seeing fights and applauding their "smart choices" in spite of that, you're on some groupie shit.

In all honesty, it should be Bisping vs. Romero for the middleweight title and GSP vs. Silva for the dusty has been championship of the world.
Syder
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(05-19-2017, 01:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

He's making smart choices with his career, but it's easy to point fingers and call him a coward from behind your keyboards.

Lol, you're hilarious. It's still ducking, dude.
Jest Chillin
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(05-19-2017, 01:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by zewone

Sure, but the motivation is important.

People calling him a coward or a chicken or whatever when the motivation is money for his family.

Feel free to be annoyed by the fact he's holding up the division, but don't blame him for asking for money fights. Especially an older guy like Bisping with numerous injuries, he likely doesn't have many fights left in his career.

He's making smart choices with his career, but it's easy to point fingers and call him a coward from behind your keyboards.

It's not our job to support him avoiding fights we want to see so that he can make a big paycheck.

That idea is and always has been absolutely ludicrous. I can understand his motivation and still think it's dumb. Especially when it's holding up an entire division. Same with Conor.
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(05-19-2017, 01:48 AM)
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https://youtu.be/cdbYsoEasio
FUME5
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(05-19-2017, 03:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rumblebones

Whatever, dude. Carry on.

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but as a white man from Australia who has basically listened to nothing but hip hop since '89, we obviously have different thresholds for what we view as appropriation, and I'll readily agree I'm not the voice of authority on this one.

Anyway, does anyone give a shit about Gustafsson vs Teixiera?
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(05-19-2017, 04:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rumblebones

Whatever, dude. Carry on.



I was tempted to bring this example up, but my point was more specific to black culture so I didn't.

But yeah, McGregor doesn't actually have a style of his own. He just emulates what he likes, and a lot of that happens to come from cultures foreign to his own. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that. There is something wrong with denying that's what he's doing, and there's something even more fucked up with accusing those whom belong to said culture of emulating McGregor.

This some real simple shit.

I'm pointing out Kevin Lee is quite clearly taking a page out of Conor's book by taking on an outlandish look at a presser just like when Conor did with the Fraizer look, with the El Chapo look. It's damn obvious lol. Has nothing to do with race. Cody Garbrandt got the same shit online on for rocking clear shades. Also, cultural appropriation =/= race appropriation. Which is clearly what you're making this about. Maybe my observations weren't explicit enough but he changed how fighters now address each other, address potential money fights, and quite literally how fighters dress.
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(05-19-2017, 06:12 AM)
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Bisping is ducking Romero for a payday, but he is not a chickenshit.

You guys are not going to convince anyone that he's afraid of Yoel when he fought Rockhold on short notice.

And I agree Hendo beat Bisping so he really shouldn't be the champ anyways, but he owes no one anything other than fighting the contracts he chooses to sign.
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(05-19-2017, 06:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mister Wilhelm

Bisping is ducking Romero for a payday, but he is not a chickenshit.

You guys are not going to convince anyone that he's afraid of Yoel when he fought Rockhold on short notice.

And I agree Hendo beat Bisping so he really shouldn't be the champ anyways, but he owes no one anything other than fighting the contracts he chooses to sign.

Fighting Rockhold on short notice is not a brave thing to do. At all. He's a fighter. He's supposed to take fights. Taking a Championship fight, as a challenger, on short notice is not bravery. He literally has nothing to lose as a professional fighter that he wouldn't be risking in any normal fight and everything to gain.

Champions owe the fans title defenses. Period and point blank. Avoiding title defenses to chase big money stunt-casted fights literally holds up the entire division and holds the title hostage. It is not something fans should be expected to respect at all.
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Originally Posted by Jest Chillin

Fighting Rockhold on short notice is not a brave thing to do. At all. He's a fighter. He's supposed to take fights. Taking a Championship fight, as a challenger, on short notice is not bravery. He literally has nothing to lose as a professional fighter that he wouldn't be risking in any normal fight and everything to gain.

When you take a short notice fight you have less cardio and game plan preparation as well as many other things. A championship fight is five rounds and you're fighting the best guy in the world. That means a much higher risk to your body as a fighter.

On top of that, a championship fight is much higher profile. The short notice can be used as an excuse, but in reality that changes nothing in the eyes of the fans and history. You just lost the biggest fight of your career and it indeed effects future title prospects.

Originally Posted by Jest Chillin

Champions owe the fans title defenses. Period and point blank. Avoiding title defenses to chase big money stunt-casted fights literally holds up the entire division and holds the title hostage. It is not something fans should be expected to respect at all.

This is a common misconception I see a lot of MMA fans have.

The UFC is simply not a completely legitimate sporting organization. It is now and always has been primarily a sports entertainment company.

Let's break this down...

Imagine that in the NFL there are no brackets, playoffs, whatever. Teams just compete against others the NFL asks them to until they are deemed worthy for the superbowl in their eyes. There is no clear path to it. It doesn't mater that much how much they win, actually. At the end of the day, they only get that contract if they succeed through rapidly changing circumstances usually through a combination of winning streaks, personal marketing, timing, etc. To make things worse, teams have a relatively short amount of time where it's possible to compete. Players cannot be changed/added/swapped, and if your current team is no longer competitive, you simply have to retire and you are guaranteed no retirement package. You just can't earn money playing games in the NFL anymore.

But once they hold the superbowl title, teams suddenly receive a huge boost in pay and have the power to decide who they want to play against to a much larger degree. It's an amazing position of privilege within the company.

Now...

The Packers were competing in the NFL for ten years. They won some games and lost some, but at the end of the day they could never put together a big enough streak against tough competition to convince anyone that they deserve to play in the superbowl. During the time they were competing, several of the teams they lost to were revealed to be on steroids after the fact.

Finally, they achieve a narrow victory over a formerly legendary team right around the time that the team voted #2 by a panel of "experts" chosen by the NFL to create rankings can no longer compete due to their roster being injured. They are given the opportunity to compete in the superbowl and for the first time, the Packers are the champions.

Now comes the time where the Packers have to play again, but if they lose they take a hit to the amount of money the team is able to make as well as the potential they have to be chosen for big money games in the future.

They are offered the chance to play against the #2 team for X amount of money. However, at the same time, a different legendary team that retired from the NFL but is coming back to the sport wants to play against them. The NFL offers the Packers three times more money to play against this team. On top of that, the odds that they will beat the previously retired team are much higher

The Packers make the clear choice to play against the previously retired team in instead of the #2 team. But now the fans are upset. Despite claiming that the Packers would NEVER win the superbowl before they did, they now claim the Packers are chickenshits that owe it to the them to play against the #2 team so they see who is really the best, even though those same fans are still going to watch the Packers play against the legendary team. In fact, far more fans are going to watch the legendary team game than the #2 game despite many of them protesting how much they don't want it to happen.

...now, this entire situation seems completely ridiculous, right?

It is! It's completely nuts. But who seems the most ridiculous in this situation?

The fans? Of course!

AND THAT IS LITERALLY WHO YOU ARE CHOOSING TO BE IN THIS SITUATION.

It's time to stop.

Embrace the carny. GSP vs Bisping 2017ish 4ever brah. Just let it happen.
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Jest Chillin
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Originally Posted by Mister Wilhelm

When you take a short notice fight you have less cardio and game plan preparation as well as many other things. A championship fight is five rounds and you're fighting the best guy in the world. That means a much higher risk to your body as a fighter.

On top of that, a championship fight is much higher profile. The short notice can be used as an excuse, but in reality that changes nothing in the eyes of the fans and history. You just lost the biggest fight of your career and it indeed effects future title prospects.

Less physical prep, sure. Bisping was fighting someone he'd already fought before, however. Which means he's already scouted Rockhold and guaranteed his fight camp (if they're any decent) reviewed and critique the footage from the loss immediately after.

Bisping doesn't gain any more exposure from wining that title. He was already boosted by having been the face of the England/UK marketing push and fighting a pelthora of big and legendary names in the sport including: Anderson Silva, Cung Le, Vitor Belfort, Chael Sonnen, Wanderlei Silva, and Dan Henderson. The only way Bisping's name gets any bigger after having that kind of opponent list is if he strings a record tieing or breaking set of Wins together.

This is reality.

Originally Posted by Mister Wilhelm

This is a common misconception I see a lot of MMA fans have.

The UFC is simply not a completely legitimate sporting organization. It is now and always has been primarily a sports entertainment company.

Let's break this down...

Let's not. I'm definitely not reading your long winded pointless comparison to a league for Team Sports.

The UFC is not that. It's a terrible comparison to make at all, let alone going on for several paragraphs about it. MMA fights are not scripted in the UFC. No scripted fights, no Sports Entertainment label. It doesn't matter what the marketing shit is. It doesn't matter if the fighters put on a persona (which has been done in legitimate sports for decades btw and doesn't make them Sports Entertainment). Literally zero about this angle of argument applies at all to what I said.

Champions owe fight fans title defenses. You want to call yourself the Champ? Prove it by defending. You don't get to win and then just never allow a title challenge. You want to do something like that, then become an Olympian. You want to be a Champ in Professional Boxing or MMA? Then you defend your title or vacate it and stop calling yourself the champ.
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Need a Bellator stream. Not trying to stay in and watch a Bellator fight on tape delay tonight -_-

You guys are arguing about Bisping. He won.
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Bisping vs GSP is HARDLY a money fight.

GSPs push is totally debatable and its not a difference between 2m to 8m if he fights GSP lol
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Levito
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(05-20-2017, 12:47 AM)
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This tape delay thing Bellator does is so dumb.
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The Video Yoel made calling out bisping while jumping around in his undies

was scary as fuck
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Originally Posted by Tater Tot

The Video Yoel made calling out bisping while jumping around in his undies

was scary as fuck

Link?
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Rory is way too good for Bellator. lol


Originally Posted by pixelation

Link?

Here.
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Originally Posted by Tater Tot

The Video Yoel made calling out bisping while jumping around in his undies

was scary as fuck

Honestly been a really long time since there was a fight where I liked two guys less. I guess the upside is one of them has to lose.
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Originally Posted by Jest Chillin

This is reality.

No, THIS is reality.
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Originally Posted by Mister Wilhelm

No, THIS is reality.

I'm supposed to take the words of someone complaining about his opponents inability to draw when he, himself, has little ability to draw, seriously?

Nobody is talking about bushido or honor or any of that. I'm not even talking about fairness to the other fighters. I'm talking about defending your belt instead of taking stunt fights.

"That's your problem not mine." No. That's not my problem. Because you aren't getting your stunt fight to make money off someone else's rep. Fight the guys in your division or give up the belt.
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Originally Posted by Tater Tot

The Video Yoel made calling out bisping while jumping around in his undies

was scary as fuck

If this guy doesn't get a title shot in the next 6-12 months it'll be a travesty.
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Bisping is definitely ducking, be it for a good reason or not, but I'd be happy if they just make Yoel-Whittaker.

Will be a good fight. Both are dangerous as fuck, particularly Yoel. Was losing against Chris, needed a finish, so he took his head off.
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Im absolutely not excited to see Woodley fight. I dont know what it is with this guy but he doesnt have "it".
camajise
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Just saw Bellator. Rory could have beat Daley, Liam, and Congo in the same night.
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Originally Posted by camajise

Just saw Bellator. Rory could have beat Daley, Liam, and Congo in the same night.

I want to see how big of a superstar Bellator can turn Rory into.
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Originally Posted by camajise

Just saw Bellator. Rory could have beat Daley, Liam, and Congo in the same night.

He's honestly way too good for Bellator lol
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How would a Rory / Askren fight go? Competitive or domination?
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Originally Posted by Levito

He's honestly way too good for Bellator lol


Come on, Bellator has tons of competition for him. There's Lorenz Larkin...

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