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Wilsongt
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(05-02-2017, 08:38 PM)
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People are attacking Bill Nye for his Netflix show? And calling him not a real scientist?

...What?
Sirpopopop
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(05-02-2017, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Roland_Gunner

An Inconvenient Truth came out over five years after the 2000 election. Kerry didn't become SoS until eight years after 2004. Why is it so controversial to say that right now both liberals and leftists are both highly motivated and Clinton isn't helping any of that?

A. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/02/us...ig-donors.html

Al Gore didn't exactly disappear for 5 years.

B. Kerry was a U.S. Senator. Also didn't disappear and do nothing.

Liberals and leftists need to confront their own sexism & racism. Stop holding unfair double standards for anyone who isn't a white cisgender male.
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Wilsongt
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(05-02-2017, 08:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by smokeymicpot

Trump and Putin are finally going to meet again in July.

You mean meet for the first time, right?
Bonen no Max'd
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(05-02-2017, 08:41 PM)
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If Yates has ambitions for elected office, I wonder if she'll also try for the governor's mansion or wait for a Senate seat to be up.
Fenderputty
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(05-02-2017, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wilsongt

People are attacking Bill Nye for his Netflix show? And calling him not a real scientist?

...What?

Semantics for sure, but is Bill an actual scientist?
PBY
(05-02-2017, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Abinash117

She can do interviews when she likes.

Yes.


Originally Posted by Chumley

No, but it's what you should do.

I like her. A LOT. Go back and read my primary threads, I was "fuck Bernie" this and "fuck the leftists" that. I was fully entrenched in the Hillary camp.

This doesn't have anything to do with that. This has to do with the reality that one of the most hated candidates in history makes a poor mouthpiece for your party. These appearances don't help anything.

As a NYCer, would love if she ran for mayor or governor by the way - this isn't that though, this is just her doing general punditry and election talk.
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whyamihere
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(05-02-2017, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Crab

(I was joking. I'm pretty sure being a former romance novelist is at best a very weak predictor of your future political career. It's just fun to mock Mensch.)

Oh, no, I know. I'm here with you. I'm just tired.
barber
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(05-02-2017, 08:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fenderputty

Semantics for sure, but is Bill an actual scientist?

bachelor in mechanical engineering so... kinda (edit: in Cornell so not bad at all)
Wilsongt
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(05-02-2017, 08:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fenderputty

Semantics for sure, but is Bill an actual scientist?

Don't need a PhD to be a scientist, honestly.

He invented something for Boeing 747, he ran experiments for children, and he engages in science discussion.

Don't need to actively be published to be a scientist if you are devoting your life to science.
Abinash117
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(05-02-2017, 08:47 PM)

Originally Posted by PBY

Yes.



I like her. A LOT. Go back and read my primary threads, I was "fuck Bernie" this and "fuck the leftists" that. I was fully entrenched in the Hillary camp.

This doesn't have anything to do with that. This has to do with the reality that one of the most hated candidates in history makes a poor mouthpiece for your party. These appearances don't help anything.

It doesn't hurt anything mostly because most people has moved on besides the few that still has flashbacks from the primaries, can't accept the election, or some other reasoning. Besides, there are plenty of hated politicians that still give appearances whenever they want. Clinton can do whatever she likes regardless of the fact she is hated or not.
Veritigo_X
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(05-02-2017, 08:48 PM)
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Originally Posted by PBY

I like her. A LOT. Go back and read my primary threads, I was "fuck Bernie" this and "fuck the leftists" that. I was fully entrenched in the Hillary camp.

This doesn't have anything to do with that. This has to do with the reality that one of the most hated candidates in history makes a poor mouthpiece for your party. These appearances don't help anything.

I'm in quite a few leftist groups on Facebook, and I gotta say the biggest stink I've seen about this interview is from you.
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(05-02-2017, 08:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Abinash117

It doesn't hurt anything mostly because most people has moved besides the few that still has flashbacks from the primaries, can't accept the election, or some other reasoning. Besides, there are plenty of hated politicians that still give appearances whenever they want. Clinton can do whatever she likes regardless of the fact she is hated or not.

She can totally do whatever she wants.

I really think these kinds of appearances are bad for the party at this particular time though. She cannot be a national voice of the party.
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(05-02-2017, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Veritigo_X

I'm in quite a few leftist groups on Facebook, and I gotta say the biggest stink I've seen about this interview is from you.

All of the journalists I follow are covering this, but generally agree- like the Obama speeches, I don't think its a big deal or ultimately matters thaaat much.

I just don't think it shows focus, and I don't think its helpful to the party.
Veritigo_X
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(05-02-2017, 08:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by PBY

All of the journalists I follow are covering this.

Cool? What are real people saying?
PBY
(05-02-2017, 08:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Veritigo_X

Cool? What are real people saying?

Boke1879
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(05-02-2017, 08:54 PM)
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If anything. This will be a thing for like a day.

She's not running for President quite frankly her opinions don't really matter.

Unfortunately the left likes to shit themselves over her talking. Hell you have people give Barack shit for giving paid speeches. Just imagine how they react to Hillary.

That said this won't go past today. Trump is walking fuck up machine and it's looking like his healthcare vote will fail again.
Crab
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(05-02-2017, 08:54 PM)
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For context, Clinton's favourables are lower than Trump's. If you liked her because of her policy, you should want her to stay out of the limelight because she's the worst possible spokesperson for them. If you liked her on a more personal basis, you should want her to stay out of the limelights because nobody serves the kind of public opprobrium she'll receive.

One appearance now is pretty meaningless, in some fairness, but best to make the point clear now.
Box of Kittens
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(05-02-2017, 08:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by whyamihere

GOOD

Cue topics about the DNC ignoring Montana.
Fenderputty
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(05-02-2017, 09:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by barber

bachelor in mechanical engineering so... kinda (edit: in Cornell so not bad at all)

Originally Posted by Wilsongt

Don't need a PhD to be a scientist, honestly.

He invented something for Boeing 747, he ran experiments for children, and he engages in science discussion.

Don't need to actively be published to be a scientist if you are devoting your life to science.

I agree he has the authority needed to speak on science shit
dramatis
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(05-02-2017, 09:01 PM)
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Men want to control women's bodies, they want to control women's labor, they want to control women's lives, they call themselves liberal and progressive then they want to control when a woman shows up and what she says. Polling numbers don't matter for Hillary Clinton anymore, so why should she have to hew to these complaints? She can do whatever interviews she wants and say whatever she wants.
Veritigo_X
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(05-02-2017, 09:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by PBY

People are reacting to the interview by talking about her favorables? Doesn't seem too bad really. I think Democrats will survive this one.

Do you worry every time Pelosi goes on MTP?
PBY
(05-02-2017, 09:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Veritigo_X

People are reacting to the interview by talking about her favorables? Doesn't seem too bad really. I think Democrats will survive this one.

Do you worry every time Pelosi goes on MTP?

No, but frankly I do think the party would do well to learn lessons from 2016 and try to shift to new faces and new voices.
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(05-02-2017, 09:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wilsongt

People are attacking Bill Nye for his Netflix show? And calling him not a real scientist?

...What?

The alt-right is pushing the idea he is not a scientist. However, anyone who devotes themselves to scientific pursuits, including education, is clearly a scientist, regardless of your degree or lackthereof.

Meanwhile, his new Netflix... I'm not sure who it's made for.
Crab
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(05-02-2017, 09:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by dramatis

Men want to control women's bodies, they want to control women's labor, they want to control women's lives, they call themselves liberal and progressive then they want to control when a woman shows up and what she says. Polling numbers don't matter for Hillary Clinton anymore, so why should she have to hew to these complaints? She can do whatever interviews she wants and say whatever she wants.

Nobody's saying "lock up that pesky Clinton!". They're saying: "there's no good reason to do this". You're right, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, but the set of "whatever the fuck she wants" contains the subset of "bloody stupid things".
Kusagari
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(05-02-2017, 09:07 PM)
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Of course her numbers are still declining. Everyone who hated her initially still hates her while a good portion of the left blame her for Trump getting elected.
Grym
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(05-02-2017, 09:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kusagari

Of course her numbers are still declining. Everyone who hated her initially still hates her while a good portion of the left blame her for Trump getting elected.

Exactly. Does this not happen with every single losing presidential candidate? I would think that it is completely normal.
Pedrito
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(05-02-2017, 09:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by PBY

Considering she's been invisible since november 2016, this graph just shows that public perception isn't based on what you say and do, but on what people (media) say about you.
Owzers
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(05-02-2017, 09:13 PM)
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You can tell CNN misses both sidesing this election, they can slide back into being dicks everytime she talks. Maybe tapper can get Jeffrey lord to comment.
dramatis
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(05-02-2017, 09:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Crab

Nobody's saying "lock up that pesky Clinton!". They're saying: "there's no good reason to do this". You're right, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, but the set of "whatever the fuck she wants" contains the subset of "bloody stupid things".

Who gives a shit? The guy seated in UK that is not a US voter, can't donate, can't canvass, can't do phonebanking?

People sure liked talking about how this is a changed world and changed society and our interactions have been revolutionized by internet and social media, yes? Then why give a shit about Hillary Clinton being public, when she's been a public figure since the 80s and a widely-known public figure since the 90s?

It's not like she's ripping your dicks off by doing a CNN interview. Stop being so scared of Hillary Clinton.
Blader
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(05-02-2017, 09:15 PM)
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How do her favorables slide 7 percent but unfavorables only rise 2 percent? Did 5 percent of voters used to like Hillary Clinton but now have no opinion of her?
BlastProcessing
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(05-02-2017, 09:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by RustyNails

Yep, reporters on twitter including maggie haberman are stepping over themselves because Hillary did not fully own her election loss. They want her to stop at that and not comment further. It doesn't work like that.

Until the NYT acknowledges their own fuck up, they can sit down and shut up.
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(05-02-2017, 09:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by dramatis

Who gives a shit? The guy seated in UK that is not a US voter, can't donate, can't canvass, can't do phonebanking?

People sure liked talking about how this is a changed world and changed society and our interactions have been revolutionized by internet and social media, yes? Then why give a shit about Hillary Clinton being public, when she's been a public figure since the 80s and a widely-known public figure since the 90s?

It's not like she's ripping your dicks off by doing a CNN interview. Stop being so scared of Hillary Clinton.

Come on, this is petulant. The people who "give a shit" are all of those lost voters from 2012 -> 2016 who cited the Democratic Party as being out of touch and elitist, predominantly because of Clinton. I want the Democratic Party to do well, and I presume Clinton does too, which is why I'm pointing out, in good faith, the best thing she can do is rest until her star recovers.

Also, I can actually phonebank. The more you know!
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(05-02-2017, 09:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Blader

Did 5 percent of voters used to like Hillary Clinton but now have no opinion of her?

Not necessarily no opinion, but something like: they don't hate her, but they're not going to be singing her praises either.
Wilsongt
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(05-02-2017, 09:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by dramatis

Who gives a shit? The guy seated in UK that is not a US voter, can't donate, can't canvass, can't do phonebanking?

People sure liked talking about how this is a changed world and changed society and our interactions have been revolutionized by internet and social media, yes? Then why give a shit about Hillary Clinton being public, when she's been a public figure since the 80s and a widely-known public figure since the 90s?

It's not like she's ripping your dicks off by doing a CNN interview. Stop being so scared of Hillary Clinton.

Drama... That shade.

Yaaaaaaas.
wandering
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(05-02-2017, 09:21 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fenderputty

I agree he has the authority needed to speak on science shit

He needs to stop speaking on non-science shit, though, particularly philosophy.
Bonen no Max'd
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(05-02-2017, 09:22 PM)
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Paula Swearengin, a miner's daughter, is running to primary Manchin. Good luck!
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(05-02-2017, 09:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wilsongt

Drama... That shade.

Yaaaaaaas.

"shade"? "yaas"? I'm having flashbacks to November 7th!
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(05-02-2017, 09:23 PM)
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Darrel Issa isn't on this list. Darrel Issa's district went for Hilary Clinton easily and he had a nailbiter against Applegate.

I seriously doubt Issa will vote for this if there's any doubt that it might not pass. There's been a lot of healthcare protests in his district.
Bonen no Max'd
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Her tweets aren't too bad either

Trump officially launched the "f" bomb. Let's hope we survive his ego. Many children in Afghanistan didn't. @realDonaldTrump

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Originally Posted by Crab

"shade"? "yaas"? I'm having flashbacks to November 7th!

Never watch an episode of RuPaul's Drag Race.
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(05-02-2017, 09:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Crab

Come on, this is petulant. The people who "give a shit" are all of those lost voters from 2012 -> 2016 who cited the Democratic Party as being out of touch and elitist, predominantly because of Clinton. I want the Democratic Party to do well, and I presume Clinton does too, which is why I'm pointing out, in good faith, the best thing she can do is rest until her star recovers.

Also, I can actually phonebank. The more you know!

Have you ever actually met one of these "lost voters"?

I have.

Your answer is pretty simple: Trump discarding the dog whistles is what got a lot of them on board. They were excited to finally have someone "tell it like it is" when he made his initial "Gaffe" about Mexico sending us rapists.

Polling has pretty much backed up that assertion since then.
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(05-02-2017, 09:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bonen no Max'd

Her tweets aren't too bad either

Really? That's an absolutely terrible line given she was Secretary of State and consequently a significant influence over the Obama administration's drone policies, which lead to year-on-year increases in the number of child deaths in Afghanistan over the duration of her tenure.
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Originally Posted by The Chosen One



Darrel Issa isn't on this list. Darrel Issa's district went for Hilary Clinton easily and he had a nailbiter against Applegate.

I seriously doubt Issa will vote for this if there's any doubt that it might not pass. There's been a lot of healthcare protests in his district.

Ugh Fortenberry's there. Looks like I need to make another call...
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Originally Posted by Crab

Really? That's an absolutely terrible line given she was Secretary of State and consequently a significant influence over the Obama administration's drone policies, which lead to year-on-year increases in the number of child deaths in Afghanistan over the duration of her tenure.

That's from the woman running in WV to primary Manchin, not Hillary.
Wilsongt
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Originally Posted by Crab

"shade"? "yaas"? I'm having flashbacks to November 7th!

Bitch, please.

I have been fierce ever since Chockillary lost on the 8th.
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Originally Posted by Bonen no Max'd

That's from the woman running in WV to primary Manchin, not Hillary.

Ah, my apologies. Mixed wires in the conversation!

Let's hope she's willing to hold her own party to account just as strenuously.
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(05-02-2017, 09:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Chosen One



Darrel Issa isn't on this list. Darrel Issa's district went for Hilary Clinton easily and he had a nailbiter against Applegate.

I seriously doubt Issa will vote for this if there's any doubt that it might not pass. There's been a lot of healthcare protests in his district.

Oh hey, my representative is voting no, that's good. She's still your typical craven Republican, but at least she listens sometimes.
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Contacted my senator about the Net Neutral and this was his response.

Thank you for contacting me regarding net neutrality. I appreciate hearing from you and welcome the opportunity to respond.

I opposed the decision of the Federal Communications Commission to reclassify broadband Internet as a public utility. This action goes against the long-standing policy to keep the Internet as free as possible from regulation. Public utilities heighten the barriers to entry for cable broadband providers because of higher costs, and in doing so limit the number of competitors that could provide Internet service. Application innovation could also be discouraged, if, for example, network providers are restricted in the way they manage their networks or are limited in their ability to offer new service packages or formats.

I appreciate your taking the time to express your views on network neutrality regulations. Going forward, I will maintain my support for efforts that promote accessibility, competition, and innovation in the telecommunications industry.

I hate my senators.
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Originally Posted by Crab

Really? That's an absolutely terrible line given she was Secretary of State and consequently a significant influence over the Obama administration's drone policies, which lead to year-on-year increases in the number of child deaths in Afghanistan over the duration of her tenure.

Damn that coal miner's daughter has a shit ton of baggage!
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I can't stand Hillary Clinton but am baffled why anyone would be upset that she gave a post-election interview, months after the election. Do I think it's a good idea that losing candidates with no political future slowly disappear to make room for the next batch of candidates? Yea of course. But Hillary tweeting a couple times and giving an interview isn't some outrageous or unprecedented level of public participation. And no, I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. A lot of people don't like her and are still bitter about the election (and primary). We can re-address this later if she takes a more prominent role, but for now she's not doing anything out of the ordinary.

If I was a republican I could understand being upset about Mitt Romney buying influence and attempting to prop himself up as some power broker. Obviously people on the far right agree with that position but overall republicans seem pretty fine with Romney popping up here or there.

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