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DontBeThatGuy
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(01-12-2017, 08:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lovely Salsa

Most of his supporters dont give a shit if trump is a russian puppet

Lets not kid ourselves

They're far more concerned about the pee story, and him "rekt"ing CNN than anything else at the moment.
BowieZ
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(01-12-2017, 08:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by danthefan

He could have flown to basically any Western European country except the UK or Ireland and made his way to Prague without getting a Czech stamp on his passport.

Indeed. There being a different Michael Cohen in Prague, and Michael Cohen being in Rome, don't really prove or disprove anything.

Dryk
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(01-12-2017, 08:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by ThePrequelsSuck

Buzzfeed is a failing pile of garbage

Ignoring the fact that this is just a re-shitpost from Trump's Twitter can we talk about Trump's tendency to determine a person or organisation's worth on their business success? When it comes to media that's an especially boneheaded thing to do, saying that a news organisation is only worthwhile if they're profitable or successful is exactly how we got into this nightmare in the first place.

Originally Posted by BowieZ

Indeed. There being a different Michael Cohen in Prague, and Michael Cohen being in Rome, don't really prove or disprove anything.

Yeah that angle is basically worthless. It would be easy to prove he was in the Schengen zone at the time but beyond that it's a lot hard to prove or disprove where he actually was.
The Chosen One
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(01-12-2017, 08:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by danthefan

He could have flown to basically any Western European country except the UK or Ireland and made his way to Prague without getting a Czech stamp on his passport.

The better question might be when was he in Europe last?

Personally I think the item in the Buzzfeed report that probably has the most potential truth is how Trump's team were in active communication with Russian contacts who represented the Krelmin at key points during the campaign.

This is something that could actually be uncovered if a real investigation is started and certain people face the real possibility of prison time. They'll start squealing in no time if there is an actual cover-up.

Trump's approval ratings will be key. If he drops below 30% among the general public and below 50% among Republicans, then Republicans in Congress and the establishment may choose to hit the detonate button on Trump before he can take the whole party down. That's when you'll start seeing actual leaks coming from Republicans and whistle blowers. It'll be a huge embarrassment in the short term, but they'll probably see President Pence as a better standard bearer for the GOP. They'll also regain leverage from the fringes, tea-partyers, and other elements of the hardcore base because they can say, "We tried your anti-establishment guy and it nearly brought down the country. We're now going with an establishment candidate and you're going to fall in line"
jelly
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(01-12-2017, 08:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by danthefan

He could have flown to basically any Western European country except the UK or Ireland and made his way to Prague without getting a Czech stamp on his passport.

I practically never get stamped when travelling. It doesn't prove anything if he doesn't have a stamp. I'm sure the EU authorities will have flight information if he did go to Europe in some capacity.
mo60
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(01-12-2017, 09:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by The Chosen One

The better question might be when was he in Europe last?

Personally I think the item in the Buzzfeed report that probably has the most potential truth is how Trump's team were in active communication with Russian contacts who represented the Krelmin at key points during the campaign.

This is something that could actually be uncovered if a real investigation is started and certain people face the real possibility of prison time. They'll start squealing in no time if there is an actual cover-up.

Trump's approval ratings will be key. If he drops below 30% among the general public and below 50% among Republicans, then Republicans in Congress and the establishment may choose to hit the detonate button on Trump before he can take the whole party down. That's when you'll start seeing actual leaks coming from Republicans and whistle blowers. It'll be a huge embarrassment in the short term, but they'll probably see President Pence as a better standard bearer for the GOP. They'll also regain leverage from the fringes, tea-partyers, and other elements of the hardcore base because they can say, "We tried your anti-establishment guy and it nearly brought down the country. We're now going with an establishment candidate and you're going to fall in line"

I'm not even sure if trump's approval rating will drop that low anytime soon unless their is more to this story. I don't think there is any escape from trump for the republicans at this point. If he gets impeached the entire republican party will be damaged. How damaged I don't know at this point.
Stead Fast
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(01-12-2017, 09:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by BowieZ

Indeed. There being a different Michael Cohen in Prague, and Michael Cohen being in Rome, don't really prove or disprove anything.

Plus one in the US, watching baseball with his son, don't forget that one!

Honestly, people (myself included) have mocked Trump's verbal mannerisims since, you know, he sounds like an idiot, but when it comes to situations like this, they are so effective it is scary. He parrots, literally parrots, the same words to such an extent that any person who is even casually following the political climate will just soak in these key words "False news" "Fake news" "Croocked". The amount of well-educated and usually moderate people swallow his tripe easier than any PR team that existed before him since the political landscape is so vast and fast-moving now that people self edit what they feel like are key points; and what does he do? devolve every point into an easy to use word - regardless if it is a complete an utter lie.

People already discrediting Cohen's location here, despite the evidence being largely 'accepted' by both the media, the Kremlin, the intelligence agencies, and even parts of the GOP, aren't all actively supporting Trump's office, they have just been suckered into believing it.

It really scares you when you think of what else he can do with this strategy, if this is merely his prelude to the next 4/8 years.
Einchy
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(01-12-2017, 09:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by ThePrequelsSuck

This was a 4chan prank and the media ran with it, lol.

I would like to sell you my Pepe bridge.
1.21Gigawatts
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(01-12-2017, 09:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by jelly

I practically never get stamped when travelling. It doesn't prove anything if he doesn't have a stamp. I'm sure the EU authorities will have flight information if he did go to Europe in some capacity.

I've been to Prague a couple of times and even forgot my ID the last time. No passport, no ID.
They let me on the bus to Prague when I showed them my student ID xD
bluethree
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(01-12-2017, 09:40 AM)

Originally Posted by jelly

I practically never get stamped when travelling. It doesn't prove anything if he doesn't have a stamp. I'm sure the EU authorities will have flight information if he did go to Europe in some capacity.

yeah all this talk about the passport and it's like, surely there are other ways to prove he was there?
Kaiterra
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(01-12-2017, 09:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dryk

Ignoring the fact that this is just a re-shitpost from Trump's Twitter can we talk about Trump's tendency to determine a person or organisation's worth on their business success? When it comes to media that's an especially boneheaded thing to do, saying that a news organisation is only worthwhile if they're profitable or successful is exactly how we got into this nightmare in the first place.

I mean it's not like he judges their business success on objective measures at all either, he just claims that anyone who opposes him is a failure.
massoluk
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(01-12-2017, 09:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by ThePrequelsSuck

This was a 4chan prank and the media ran with it, lol.

Are we ignoring sources associated with US and British intelligence community for some reason?
SirShizznit
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(01-12-2017, 09:44 AM)
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Anyone in the EU except the UK could just start in one place and end up in a completely different location. I could end up in denmark or sweden within 12 hours and from there germany/austria etc.
Alx
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(01-12-2017, 09:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by massoluk

Are we ignoring sources associated with US and British intelligence community for some reason?

Didn't Trump say on stage it was a disgrace that documents from a confidential meeting were leaked to the press ? Whether the allegations are true or not, he does confirm that it went through US intelligence and not some random internet forum.
SirShizznit
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(01-12-2017, 09:49 AM)
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Are we seriously still thinking this is 4chan, get a grip people its way past a small time isolated rumor. This went through the agencies first not some backyard website.
Cronen
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(01-12-2017, 10:01 AM)
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Apologies if posted already:

Ex-MI6 officer Christopher Steele in hiding after Trump memo

An ex-MI6 officer who is believed to have prepared a memo claiming Russia has compromising material on US President-elect Donald Trump is now in hiding, the BBC understands.

Christopher Steele, who runs a London-based intelligence firm, is believed to have left his Berkshire home this week.

...

BBC news correspondent Paul Wood said he understood Mr Steele left his home in Berkshire on either Tuesday or Wednesday, before he was publicly named, and was now "in hiding".

He said he had been told Mr Steele had asked his neighbour to look after his cats.

Our correspondent said he had been shown the memos about Mr Trump in October last year, when he was told Mr Steele was "in fear of his life", having spoken out about potential Russian involvement in Mr Trump's election.

He said he had been told by members of the intelligence community that Mr Steele was "extremely, highly regarded" and was thought of as "competent".

More at the link.
NoblesseOblige
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(01-12-2017, 10:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cronen

Apologies if posted already:

Ex-MI6 officer Christopher Steele in hiding after Trump memo



More at the link.

I can't even think of where he'd go to hide. Not like he can Snowden it up and hang out in Russia for this one...
Maiden Voyage
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(01-12-2017, 10:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cronen

Apologies if posted already:

Ex-MI6 officer Christopher Steele in hiding after Trump memo



More at the link.

That is awful. This whole thing is getting worse and worse.
Huw_Dawson
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(01-12-2017, 10:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by NoblesseOblige

I can't even think of where he'd go to hide. Not like he can Snowden it up and hang out in Russia for this one...

He's ex-MI6 and survived being posted to Russia - he's probably well-trained enough to lie low.
DerangedHermit
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(01-12-2017, 10:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by NoblesseOblige

I can't even think of where he'd go to hide. Not like he can Snowden it up and hang out in Russia for this one...

Well, unlike Snowden, the CURRENT government is not going to actively shutdown airports if he intends to flee to let's say...Ecuador.
MarkMclovin
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(01-12-2017, 10:15 AM)
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OP hasn't been updated.

So I'm reading this is a prank now? Or not?

Is there a summary post somewhere?
NoblesseOblige
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(01-12-2017, 10:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

OP hasn't been updated.

So I'm reading this is a prank now? Or not?

Is there a summary post somewhere?

It's in the OP...

Originally Posted by chadskin


MOD EDIT:

People keep posting this picture "from the document" as evidence that the story was an elaborate prank from 4chan:


This picture is NOT IN THE DOCUMENT. It's a hoax to make the rest of the document look fake to people who wouldn't bother reading the whole thing.
Whether or not the story turns out to be legit or not, this is a pretty obvious manipulation and shows there is an active attempt by a lot of people online to spread misinformation about this story.

...did you even try to skim?
ClosingADoor
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(01-12-2017, 10:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by SirShizznit

Anyone in the EU except the UK could just start in one place and end up in a completely different location. I could end up in denmark or sweden within 12 hours and from there germany/austria etc.

Even from the UK to another EU country, I don't think you get stamped. I've never been, although I'm in the EU already, so maybe they do for Americans.
BernardoOne
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(01-12-2017, 10:25 AM)

Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

OP hasn't been updated.

So I'm reading this is a prank now? Or not?

Is there a summary post somewhere?

It's scary how much misinformation some random anonymous edgelords can propagate in one day.
MilkBeard
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(01-12-2017, 10:28 AM)
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I saw this post on Neogaf but didn't actually realize how big of a deal it was, so I skipped it for a day or two.

But wow. I really hope the US intelligence does something with this. I hope they dig up as much evidence as possible to impeach Trump.

Let's do this.
SpaceDrake
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(01-12-2017, 10:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by NoblesseOblige

I can't even think of where he'd go to hide. Not like he can Snowden it up and hang out in Russia for this one...

He almost certainly has a ton of MI6 friends in Britain. I'm sure he has resources he can rely on for safety, but I don't envy his position right now.
Flo_Evans
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(01-12-2017, 10:39 AM)
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Ummm...

I don't know if I should be excited for this news or terrified.
Ardenyal
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(01-12-2017, 10:41 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mercury Fred

What's your hourly rate?

In the st petersburg "troll factory" they're paid 400-650 € per month lol

Finnish broadcasting company has done some interesting articles on the issue

http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/jessikka-a...ian-propaganda
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Cipherr
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(01-12-2017, 10:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

OP hasn't been updated.

So I'm reading this is a prank now? Or not?

Is there a summary post somewhere?

What the hell are you guys using for news sources? Im asking genuinely. I know that 4chan tried to discredit it by faking images and claiming it was a prank, but Ive been through no less than 10 different news sites today and NONE of them are claiming/posting the bolded. Yet Gaffer after gaffer keeps coming in asking if its a hoax? How the fuck does 4chan spread this shit so fast?

Is it reddit or something?
MarkMclovin
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(01-12-2017, 10:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by NoblesseOblige

It's in the OP...



...did you even try to skim?

That's not the latest update. I read that yesterday morning. Since then, I'm now hearing 4chan are involved and/or it was some sort of misinformation or prank gone nuts.
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RM8
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Originally Posted by Cipherr

What the hell are you guys using for news sources? Im asking genuinely. I know that 4chan tried to discredit it by faking images and claiming it was a prank, but Ive been through no less than 10 different news sites today and NONE of them are claiming/posting the bolded. Yet Gaffer after gaffer keeps coming in asking if its a hoax? How the fuck does 4chan spread this shit so fast?

Is it reddit or something?

I'd say it's more likely for gaffers to browse 4chan, than it is for the general public.
TheChuggernaut
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(01-12-2017, 10:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

That's not the latest update. I ready that yesterday morning. Since then, I'm now hearing 4chan are involved and/or it was some sort of misinformation or prank gone nuts.

Unless 4chan is a 52 year old ex MI6 agent who is now in hiding, it wasn't 4chan
Grug
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(01-12-2017, 10:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by BernardoOne

It's scary how much misinformation some random anonymous edgelords can propagate in one day.

It really is. Teach your kids critical thinking skills people, because the current political environment is making intellectual slaves of the people who don't.
RulkezX
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(01-12-2017, 10:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cipherr

What the hell are you guys using for news sources? Im asking genuinely. I know that 4chan tried to discredit it by faking images and claiming it was a prank, but Ive been through no less than 10 different news sites today and NONE of them are claiming/posting the bolded. Yet Gaffer after gaffer keeps coming in asking if its a hoax? How the fuck does 4chan spread this shit so fast?

Is it reddit or something?

Nothing to do with 4chan, that image of the faked text that was meant to be on the end of the report poving it was fake had been all over social media some the story broke.

I'd imagine people with certain leanings see the image and tag line , have their bias confirmed then go on to share or retweet wI thought giving it anymore thought.
*Splinter
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(01-12-2017, 10:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by bluethree

yeah all this talk about the passport and it's like, surely there are other ways to prove he was there?

I think the interesting thing is just that he's denied it. So either he wasn't in Prague or he's extremely confident there's no evidence of him being there.

The latter seems more likely tbh, especially if the other guy with the same name led to a mix up somehow.

Edit: I mean, can you imagine if proof of him being in Prague emerged now? It would confirm the weakest part of the report, and his denial would strongly suggest he wasn't supposed to be there.
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*Splinter
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(01-12-2017, 10:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

That's not the latest update. I read that yesterday morning. Since then, I'm now hearing 4chan are involved and/or it was some sort of misinformation or prank gone nuts.

The fake "leaked image" isn't the only rumour to come out of 4chan yes, but do you think that fake rumour came out, was disproved, and then totally coincidentally the "real" 4chan hoax was revealed totally legit this time guys we swear?

The OP is up to date
Alx
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(01-12-2017, 10:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

That's not the latest update. I read that yesterday morning. Since then, I'm now hearing 4chan are involved and/or it was some sort of misinformation or prank gone nuts.

Well, that's why information need sources. "I'm now hearing" is... well, hearsay, which is unreliable since it propagates all kinds of info (real and fake) without any proof or ground.
Unless you have specific new sources, what you're hearing may very well be the same thing you read yesterday, propagated (and distorted) by word of mouth.
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okdakor
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Originally Posted by Ardenyal

In the st petersburg "troll factory" they're paid 400-650 € per month lol

Finnish broadcasting company has done some interesting articles on the issue

http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/jessikka-a...ian-propaganda

There's also this article from the NYT : https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/m...he-agency.html
MarkMclovin
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(01-12-2017, 11:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by *Splinter

The fake "leaked image" isn't the only rumour to come out of 4chan yes, but do you think that fake rumour came out, was disproved, and then totally coincidentally the "real" 4chan hoax was revealed totally legit this time guys we swear?

The OP is up to date

Originally Posted by Alx

Well, that's why information need sources. "I'm now hearing" is... well, hearsay, which is unreliable since it propagates all kinds of info (real and fake) without any proof or ground.
Unless you have specific new sources, what you're hearing may very well be the same thing you read yesterday, propagated (and distorted) by word of mouth.

Right, so no update since yesterday afternoon? That's all I needed thanks.

Oh and I only read about 4chan from here. Nowhere else.
SomTervo
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(01-12-2017, 11:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by UberTag

Gerald Ford took over the presidency after Nixon stepped down. He is the only U.S. president to have never been elected into office directly by the people. He wasn't even on the ticket for Nixon's re-election campaign in '72. Spiro Agnew was still vice-president at the time. Ford was the House Minority Leader before being appointed as VP for the year before Nixon resigned.

Trump wasn't either, amirite?

Originally Posted by Ardenyal

In the st petersburg "troll factory" they're paid 400-650 € per month lol

Finnish broadcasting company has done some interesting articles on the issue

http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/jessikka-a...ian-propaganda

The Independent (UK) did some good stuff, too, IIRC.
SgtCobra
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(01-12-2017, 11:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cronen

Apologies if posted already:

Ex-MI6 officer Christopher Steele in hiding after Trump memo



More at the link.

But...but...Le 4chan!!
I think that if it ends up being true he'll get the protection he needs.
Big Baybee
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(01-12-2017, 11:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by MarkMclovin

That's not the latest update. I read that yesterday morning. Since then, I'm now hearing 4chan are involved and/or it was some sort of misinformation or prank gone nuts.

🙄

I don't think you're being genuine.
BowieZ
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(01-12-2017, 11:28 AM)
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So I'm going through Michael Cohen's twitter feed trying to dig up the truth regarding the potential for him to have travelled to Russia through the Schengen nations. Not sure when he was apparently in Rome(?) (supposedly on holiday in Europe in July?) but his feed is interesting in that it's basically a stream of about 20 tweets and retweets per day, but during July and August there are a few "gaps" (where there's only one or two tweets a day and he isn't making any media appearances).

One of those gaps is August 5 to August 10, 2016. He tweets only a couple of times -- meanwhile on August 10 the '44 new Hillary emails leak' story comes out.

Can anyone help plot out his movements around this time?

Edit: the Atlantic reported on his whereabouts -- https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/512762/

So he admits to being in Italy in July, and his whereabouts is supposedly spotless from very late August through September.

But the report suggests he was in Prague in "August/September," which is obviously vague enough for it to still be true.
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(01-12-2017, 11:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cronen

Apologies if posted already:
Ex-MI6 officer Christopher Steele in hiding after Trump memo

More at the link.

Whoa whoa whoa...

He has cats?

100% trustworthy source verified
m3k
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(01-12-2017, 11:29 AM)
Yoooo this shit is crazy... I think I've caught up

I can't believe he upstaged this report ... With his plan to disentangle himself from his business which means he promises not to talk to his sons about the business

Like what.... The way he tries to sell it

My two sons over there... They will run the business very professionally... I don't even have to do this, I could run the business and the country at the same time but I don't like the sound of it

And then there's the table of documents he was presenting... Wtf this shit is surreal

Unfortunately I think he'll get away with shit for a long time... The people who voted for him will only care when there are no jobs and nothing being done
StarVigil
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(01-12-2017, 11:29 AM)
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What if the sim theory is true, and this is our overlord's way of deleting the pool ladder so we can't get out?
Oersted
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(01-12-2017, 11:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by RM8

I'd say it's more likely for gaffers to browse 4chan, than it is for the general public.

Apparently. Seen that bullshit nowhere as often as on Gaf. Not even the most fringe part of my FB friends is posting any of it.
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Originally Posted by *Splinter

I think the interesting thing is just that he's denied it. So either he wasn't in Prague or he's extremely confident there's no evidence of him being there.

The latter seems more likely tbh, especially if the other guy with the same name led to a mix up somehow.

Edit: I mean, can you imagine if proof of him being in Prague emerged now? It would confirm the weakest part of the report, and his denial would strongly suggest he wasn't supposed to be there.

I pity the US intelligence officers that are now poring over the footage from security cameras from any major transport hub in or out of Prague attempting to positively ID him.
Zereta
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(01-12-2017, 11:31 AM)
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So, catching up on my news reading for today, came across this:

Politico: Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

This is a very long article. I'll be quoting parts of this story.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

Merkel, who has served as an election observer in Ukrainian presidential elections dating back to 1993, noted there’s some irony in Ukraine and Russia taking opposite sides in the 2016 presidential race, given that past Ukrainian elections were widely viewed in Washington’s foreign policy community as proxy wars between the U.S. and Russia.

A daughter of Ukrainian immigrants who maintains strong ties to the Ukrainian-American diaspora and the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, Chalupa, a lawyer by training, in 2014 was doing pro bono work for another client interested in the Ukrainian crisis and began researching Manafort’s role in Yanukovych’s rise, as well as his ties to the pro-Russian oligarchs who funded Yanukovych’s political party.

In January 2016 — months before Manafort had taken any role in Trump’s campaign — Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, when it came to Trump’s campaign, “I felt there was a Russia connection,” Chalupa recalled. “And that, if there was, that we can expect Paul Manafort to be involved in this election,” said Chalupa, who at the time also was warning leaders in the Ukrainian-American community that Manafort was “Putin’s political brain for manipulating U.S. foreign policy and elections.”

That was not an uncommon view at the time, and, perhaps as a result, Trump’s ties to Russia — let alone Manafort’s — were not the subject of much attention.
That all started to change just four days after Chalupa’s meeting at the embassy, when it was reported that Trump had in fact hired Manafort, suggesting that Chalupa may have been on to something.

Telizhenko recalled that Chalupa told him and Shulyar that, “If we can get enough information on Paul [Manafort] or Trump’s involvement with Russia, she can get a hearing in Congress by September.

Chalupa confirmed that, a week after Manafort’s hiring was announced, she discussed the possibility of a congressional investigation with a foreign policy legislative assistant in the office of Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), who co-chairs the Congressional Ukrainian Caucus. But, Chalupa said, “It didn’t go anywhere.”

Within a few weeks of her initial meeting at the embassy with Shulyar and Chaly, Chalupa on April 20 received the first of what became a series of messages from the administrators of her private Yahoo email account, warning her that “state-sponsored actors” were trying to hack into her emails.

Chalupa further indicated in her hacked May email to the DNC that she had additional sensitive information about Manafort that she intended to share “offline” with Miranda and DNC research director Lauren Dillon, including “a big Trump component you and Lauren need to be aware of that will hit in next few weeks and something I’m working on you should be aware of.” Explaining that she didn’t feel comfortable sharing the intel over email, Chalupa attached a screenshot of a warning from Yahoo administrators about “state-sponsored” hacking on her account, explaining, “Since I started digging into Manafort these messages have been a daily occurrence on my yahoo account despite changing my password often.”

About a month-and-a-half after Chalupa first started receiving hacking alerts, someone broke into her car outside the Northwest Washington home where she lives with her husband and three young daughters, she said. They “rampaged it, basically, but didn’t take anything valuable — left money, sunglasses, $1,200 worth of golf clubs,” she said, explaining she didn’t file a police report after that incident because she didn’t connect it to her research and the hacking.

But by the time a similar vehicle break-in occurred involving two family cars, she was convinced that it was a Russia-linked intimidation campaign. The police report on the latter break-in noted that “both vehicles were unlocked by an unknown person and the interior was ransacked, with papers and the garage openers scattered throughout the cars. Nothing was taken from the vehicles.”

Then, early in the morning on another day, a woman “wearing white flowers in her hair” tried to break into her family’s home at 1:30 a.m., Chalupa said. Shulyar told Chalupa that the mysterious incident bore some of the hallmarks of intimidation campaigns used against foreigners in Russia, according to Chalupa.

So all this eventually led to the eventual NYT article exposing Manafort's cash ties and the Pro-Russian connection and this led to Manafort's quick resignation, allegedly not working with the campaign anymore. Instead, Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway became the campaign heads.

Back to Politico's story:

Clinton’s campaign seized on the story to advance Democrats’ argument that Trump’s campaign was closely linked to Russia. The ledger represented “more troubling connections between Donald Trump’s team and pro-Kremlin elements in Ukraine,” Robby Mook, Clinton’s campaign manager, said in a statement.

According to a series of memos reportedly compiled for Trump’s opponents by a former British intelligence agent, Yanukovych, in a secret meeting with Putin on the day after the Times published its report, admitted that he had authorized “substantial kickback payments to Manafort.” But according to the report, which was published Tuesday by BuzzFeed but remains unverified. Yanukovych assured Putin “that there was no documentary trail left behind which could provide clear evidence of this” — an alleged statement that seemed to implicitly question the authenticity of the ledger.

And in an interview this week, Manafort, who re-emerged as an informal advisor to Trump after Election Day, suggested that the ledgers were inauthentic and called their publication “a politically motivated false attack on me. My role as a paid consultant was public. There was nothing off the books, but the way that this was presented tried to make it look shady.”

True enough, Manafort and Corey Lewandowski were both seen in Trump Tower soon after Trump won the presidency.

Back to Politico:

Yet Russia seemed to come to the defense of Manafort and Trump last month, when a spokeswoman for Russia’s Foreign Ministry charged that the Ukrainian government used the ledgers as a political weapon.

Ukraine seriously complicated the work of Trump’s election campaign headquarters by planting information according to which Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, allegedly accepted money from Ukrainian oligarchs,” Maria Zakharova said at a news briefing, according to a transcript of her remarks posted on the Foreign Ministry’s website. “All of you have heard this remarkable story,” she told assembled reporters.

And she pointed out that Chaly traveled to the GOP convention in Cleveland in late July and met with members of Trump’s foreign policy team “to highlight the importance of Ukraine and the support of it by the U.S.”

Despite the outreach, Trump’s campaign in Cleveland gutted a proposed amendment to the Republican Party platform that called for the U.S. to provide “lethal defensive weapons” for Ukraine to defend itself against Russian incursion, backers of the measure charged.

We all remember this happening. It was a big thing that was quickly forgotten.

And a final bit from the Politico article:

The Poroshenko regime’s standing with Trump is considered so dire that the president’s allies after the election actually reached out to make amends with — and even seek assistance from — Manafort, according to two operatives familiar with Ukraine’s efforts to make inroads with Trump.

Meanwhile, Poroshenko’s rivals are seeking to capitalize on his dicey relationship with Trump’s team. Some are pressuring him to replace Chaly, a close ally of Poroshenko’s who is being blamed by critics in Kiev and Washington for implementing — if not engineering — the country’s anti-Trump efforts, according to Ukrainian and U.S. politicians and operatives interviewed for this story. They say that several potential Poroshenko opponents have been through Washington since the election seeking audiences of their own with Trump allies, though most have failed to do do so.

“None of the Ukrainians have any access to Trump — they are all desperate to get it, and are willing to pay big for it,” said one American consultant whose company recently met in Washington with Yuriy Boyko, a former vice prime minister under Yanukovych. Boyko, who like Yanukovych has a pro-Russian worldview, is considering a presidential campaign of his own, and his representatives offered “to pay a shit-ton of money” to get access to Trump and his inaugural events, according to the consultant.

As we search for evidence to verify that Trump, his campaign and the Kremlin were in contact during the campaign, stuff like this, with content impacted by material in the dossier are out here sitting in the open, as clear , potentially serious evidence that Trump has been working with Russia all along. Manafort is one big part of this puzzle it seems, to re-quote Politico:

In January 2016 — months before Manafort had taken any role in Trump’s campaign — Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, when it came to Trump’s campaign, “I felt there was a Russia connection,” Chalupa recalled. “And that, if there was, that we can expect Paul Manafort to be involved in this election,” said Chalupa, who at the time also was warning leaders in the Ukrainian-American community that Manafort was “Putin’s political brain for manipulating U.S. foreign policy and elections.”

Dig harder, IC and press. We gotta nail these guys.
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Originally Posted by BowieZ

So I'm going through Michael Cohen's twitter feed trying to dig up the truth regarding the potential for him to have travelled to Russia through the Schengen nations. Not sure when he was apparently in Rome(?) (supposedly on holiday in Europe in July?) but his feed is interesting in that it's basically a stream of about 20 tweets and retweets per day, but during July and August there are a few "gaps" (where there's only one or two tweets a day and he isn't making any media appearances).

One of those gaps is August 5 to August 10, 2016. He tweets only a couple of times -- meanwhile on August 10 the '44 new Hillary emails leak' story comes out.

Can anyone help plot out his movements around this time?

look for gaps where he can't tweet because he was on an international flight. How many hours from the US to EU?

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