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kayzai
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(01-12-2017, 12:08 PM)

Originally Posted by ExtremePopcorn

Christopher Steele isn't a real person and Orbis isn't a real company.

They are both MI6 fronts to allow the leaking of high level intelligence information in a way that allows credibility to the information but keeps a certain amount of distance from MI6 and the Government.

The relationship between US and UK intelligence groups is very close and we were in the situation where the one of the Presidential candidates has strong links to Putin and Russia.

The US agencies cannot simply release information showing Trump to be compromised by Russia, they'd be accused of trying to influence the election.

So they ask their friends in British Intelligence, who are just as concerned about Russian influence as the US, to release the information to a respected and influential Republican (McCain) in a way that doesn't directly tie the information to the intelligence agencies but is credible enough that it's believable.

This leads to MI6 using the assets 'Christopher Steele' and 'Orbis' to release the information but as with many things surrounding the election, it doesn't go to plan.

Trumps attacks on the US intelligence agencies are, naturally, poorly received so they double down on Christopher Steele and his report but without the subtlety of the first release.

The release works, the media are all over it and to add extra credibility to the report 'Christopher Steele' goes into hiding leaving his poor cats with his neighbour.


Or I've been reading too many spy novels


That actually sound very plausible.
Why?
The British government tried to ban the media revealing his name but it was too late.
Why would they do such a thing if he was EX (ie. No longer an employee of the state)?

As a private citizen, he should have applied for a legal gagging order in the courts.
Interface_2037
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(01-12-2017, 12:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by kayzai

Why?

As a private citizen, he should have applied for a legal gagging order in the courts.

Agents may no longer on the official books of SIS when they 'retire' but once an agent, always an agent.

You don't just stop using the talents of people you spent large sums of money on to train and let those skills go to waste.
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(01-12-2017, 12:14 PM)
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Tugatrix
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(01-12-2017, 12:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by ExtremePopcorn

Christopher Steele isn't a real person and Orbis isn't a real company.

They are both MI6 fronts to allow the leaking of high level intelligence information in a way that allows credibility to the information but keeps a certain amount of distance from MI6 and the Government.

The relationship between US and UK intelligence groups is very close and we were in the situation where the one of the Presidential candidates has strong links to Putin and Russia.

The US agencies cannot simply release information showing Trump to be compromised by Russia, they'd be accused of trying to influence the election.

So they ask their friends in British Intelligence, who are just as concerned about Russian influence as the US, to release the information to a respected and influential Republican (McCain) in a way that doesn't directly tie the information to the intelligence agencies but is credible enough that it's believable.

This leads to MI6 using the assets 'Christopher Steele' and 'Orbis' to release the information but as with many things surrounding the election, it doesn't go to plan.

Trumps attacks on the US intelligence agencies are, naturally, poorly received so they double down on Christopher Steele and his report but without the subtlety of the first release.

The release works, the media are all over it and to add extra credibility to the report 'Christopher Steele' goes into hiding leaving his poor cats with his neighbour.


Or I've been reading too many spy novels

Dead on probably
MisterFalcon
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(01-12-2017, 12:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by ExtremePopcorn

Christopher Steele isn't a real person and Orbis isn't a real company.

...

Or I've been reading too many spy novels

That's quite possible. It could also be that Christopher Steele is really a former spy who thinks he's got some shit hot sources in Moscow who are in fact playing him to release this made up story to discredit any future leaks on Trump. And now the story has blown up worldwide he realizes this and knows he's fucked.

Or it's all true and a former MI6 guy has a source in the Russian government that gave him this unbelievably huge scoop.
ultratruman
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(01-12-2017, 12:28 PM)

Mr Steele, who was initially named in the US, is believed to be a former member of the Secret Intelligence Service - MI6 - and is a director of Orbis Business Intelligence - which describes itself as a leading corporate intelligence consultancy.

we've come full circle
Qvoth
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(01-12-2017, 12:28 PM)
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I doubt putin will send kgb assassins after him, that would make his story seem even more legit
This is the age of disinformation after all, just make up some stupid shit and he'll be a non factor
spekkeh
(01-12-2017, 12:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by ExtremePopcorn

Christopher Steele isn't a real person and Orbis isn't a real company.

They are both MI6 fronts to allow the leaking of high level intelligence information in a way that allows credibility to the information but keeps a certain amount of distance from MI6 and the Government.

The relationship between US and UK intelligence groups is very close and we were in the situation where the one of the Presidential candidates has strong links to Putin and Russia.

The US agencies cannot simply release information showing Trump to be compromised by Russia, they'd be accused of trying to influence the election.

So they ask their friends in British Intelligence, who are just as concerned about Russian influence as the US, to release the information to a respected and influential Republican (McCain) in a way that doesn't directly tie the information to the intelligence agencies but is credible enough that it's believable.

This leads to MI6 using the assets 'Christopher Steele' and 'Orbis' to release the information but as with many things surrounding the election, it doesn't go to plan.

Trumps attacks on the US intelligence agencies are, naturally, poorly received so they double down on Christopher Steele and his report but without the subtlety of the first release.

The release works, the media are all over it and to add extra credibility to the report 'Christopher Steele' goes into hiding leaving his poor cats with his neighbour.


Or I've been reading too many spy novels

Actually sounds pretty plausible. Christopher Steele is a too cool sounding name. The Orbis business intelligence website tells you nothing (somebody should check if there are even people working at the address, their legals page telling you to not hack their website reads weird), and if he's been out of MI6 for some time now as he went legit, why would he even have all this dirt on Trump.
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(01-12-2017, 12:29 PM)
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I mean, if you were going to fabricate the existence of a secret British intelligence agent you would presumably Google your chosen name and vet one which is shared by a gay porn star but idk.
MJLord
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(01-12-2017, 12:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by KingSnake

You never know when you get the urge to suicide with polonium-210 and write a big apologetic note to Trump and Putin.

Or fold yourself into a duffel bag
ultratruman
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(01-12-2017, 12:31 PM)

Originally Posted by spekkeh

Actually sounds pretty plausible. Christopher Steele is a too cool sounding name. The Orbis business intelligence website tells you nothing (somebody should check if there are even people working at the address, their legals page telling you to not hack their website reads weird), and if he's been out of MI6 for some time now as he went legit, why would he even have all this dirt on Trump.

He's an intelligence worker, and Trump Org is a multi-billion dollar corporation.

It's very common for ex-government agents to do this kind of private consulting.

Originally Posted by MJLord

Or fold yourself into a duffel bag

Or jump out a window, but be considerate enough to close it behind you.
Nikodemos
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(01-12-2017, 12:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Interface_2037

Agents may no longer on the official books of SIS when they 'retire' but once an agent, always an agent.

Which is why the whole ex-KGB thing regarding Putin was painfully unconvincing. You only leave the KGB when you die.
funkystudent
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(01-12-2017, 12:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by MJLord

Or fold yourself into a duffel bag

Or stab yourself in the chest with two knifes
Lazlo Woodbine
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(01-12-2017, 12:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by StuKen

So are we still running with the its a 4chan scam line?

Sadly that cesspool managed to capitalise on this as it was breaking (where the document was literally the only thing in the wild) to the point where the majority of Trump supporters I'm seeing online are STILL using the 4Chan fakes of the dossier as evidence that it's a hoax.

As the situation stands, I wouldn't discount anything at this point. The FSB and Putin Regime have on multiple occasions shown a repeated willingness to carry out brazen assassinations due to some political indifference (the most notable being Litvinenko).

What a few months ago, I think most people, would of rubbished as a trite Cold War era spy story / conspiracy theory has, for me at least, become extremely plausible and I find that really fucking unsettling as a plebeian bystander.
whytemyke
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(01-12-2017, 12:43 PM)
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Well when this guy dies in a car accident two weeks from now, we know why.
Tak3n
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(01-12-2017, 12:45 PM)

Originally Posted by MJLord

Or fold yourself into a duffel bag

I remember that, what was the coroners findings again? was it a sex game or magic act.... I remember thinking there is no way he did that to himself
MJLord
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(01-12-2017, 12:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tak3n

I remember that, what was the coroners findings again? was it a sex game or magic act.... I remember thinking there is no way he did that to himself

Supposedly he did the zip all the way up as well.
Tugatrix
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(01-12-2017, 12:55 PM)
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Found the guy linkedin, which is strange for a profession that demand discretion

https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-steele-87151a6a/
Lazlo Woodbine
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(01-12-2017, 12:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tak3n

I remember that, what was the coroners findings again? was it a sex game or magic act.... I remember thinking there is no way he did that to himself

The initial inquest concluded foul play but a MET Police follow up contradicted that (an obvious attempt at damage control by British Intelligence imo).

However a few years ago when former KGB operative Boris Karpichkov defected to the UK he spilled the beans on a lot of these suspected assassinations including Litvinenko and Williams. He claimed Russia tried to recruit Williams, he declined but also threatened to expose one of their agents at GCHQ and they subsequently had him killed to make an example and protect their agent.

It's all pretty fucked up. The Guardian have a decent article from when he first defected: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-of-a-kgb-spy
norinrad
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(01-12-2017, 12:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Nikodemos

Which is why the whole ex-KGB thing regarding Putin was painfully unconvincing. You only leave the KGB when you die.

So it's like a religious cult? Leave and we will make sure you never open your mouth anywhere ever again.
DerangedHermit
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(01-12-2017, 01:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Qvoth

I doubt putin will send kgb assassins after him, that would make his story seem even more legit
This is the age of disinformation after all, just make up some stupid shit and he'll be a non factor

Lord Frieza
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(01-12-2017, 01:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by ExtremePopcorn

Christopher Steele isn't a real person and Orbis isn't a real company.

They are both MI6 fronts to allow the leaking of high level intelligence information in a way that allows credibility to the information but keeps a certain amount of distance from MI6 and the Government.

The relationship between US and UK intelligence groups is very close and we were in the situation where the one of the Presidential candidates has strong links to Putin and Russia.

The US agencies cannot simply release information showing Trump to be compromised by Russia, they'd be accused of trying to influence the election.

So they ask their friends in British Intelligence, who are just as concerned about Russian influence as the US, to release the information to a respected and influential Republican (McCain) in a way that doesn't directly tie the information to the intelligence agencies but is credible enough that it's believable.

This leads to MI6 using the assets 'Christopher Steele' and 'Orbis' to release the information but as with many things surrounding the election, it doesn't go to plan.

Trumps attacks on the US intelligence agencies are, naturally, poorly received so they double down on Christopher Steele and his report but without the subtlety of the first release.

The release works, the media are all over it and to add extra credibility to the report 'Christopher Steele' goes into hiding leaving his poor cats with his neighbour.


Or I've been reading too many spy novels

So, what does this really say about all of this...? Are we looking at some kind of long con against Trump from domestic IC and possibly internationally?
Massive Nights
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(01-12-2017, 01:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Qvoth

I doubt putin will send kgb assassins after him, that would make his story seem even more legit
This is the age of disinformation after all, just make up some stupid shit and he'll be a non factor

Alexander Litvinenko's family would like a word.
BowieZ
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(01-12-2017, 01:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by DerangedHermit

Pretty much. Putin is basically on the verge of being able to get away with anything it wants, and having America officially label any criticism of Putin as fake news.
Adam_Vania
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(01-12-2017, 01:07 PM)
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top secret agent in hiding, fears for his life

i mean i imagine it's like this every day for him. HE'S A TOP SECRET AGENT. wtf

imo if u spy on Russia against the incoming president elect, then leak that info to the media, yeah you should probably watch your back ffs. which you should already have been doing anyway. you know. cos you are an INTERNATIONAL SPY. duh
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(01-12-2017, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tak3n

Shame it has come to this, but I guess it is what happens when you cause a shit storm of this size.. He has certainly put his reputation on the line, and probably ruined the rest of his life....the pen is truly mightier than the sword

Picking up some real bad victim blaming vibes from OP, as usual.
BlackLagoon
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(01-12-2017, 02:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Laughing Banana

Why would the media, like NYT, blatantly exposed his identity out in the open? What morons! :/

Edit: I meant WSJ.

Chances are that any intelligence organisation wanting to kill him would have already known who he was. I guess this might have give some unhinged Trump supporter the ability to take matters into their own hands like with Pizzagate though.
Enduin
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(01-12-2017, 02:11 PM)
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People need to realize killing him is not so much about squashing the rumors and his credibility, though it does help in its own weird way, but mostly to send a message to other would be leakers, investigators, etc. That you do not fuck with Putin cause this is what happens when you find a stranger in Siberia. It shuts this guy up for good and sends a message to those like him, this is you're reward.
deadduck
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(01-12-2017, 02:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by spekkeh

Actually sounds pretty plausible. Christopher Steele is a too cool sounding name. The Orbis business intelligence website tells you nothing (somebody should check if there are even people working at the address, their legals page telling you to not hack their website reads weird), and if he's been out of MI6 for some time now as he went legit, why would he even have all this dirt on Trump.

He was hired by US officials (no names) to build a dossier according to Frank Garndner on the 1pm GMT BBC news.

20 years working in the Russian dept of SIS (MI6), been out for 10 years. All former high ranking spy's names are dnoticed, meaning the press won't print their name. This dnotice on him was lifted yesterday.
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(01-12-2017, 02:36 PM)
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Gordon Shumway
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(01-12-2017, 02:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by DerangedHermit

Something tells me that we'll be hearing about Polonium poisons sometime in the future.

Sheesh..crazy shit.
Madness
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(01-12-2017, 02:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Zushin

Yeah, why the fuck did the press let his name out in the open. I mean obviously the powers at be would have already known his name, but making it publicly available is not helping the poor bastard.

That is just it. They are not into helping him. The goal is to publish the news. Unless he was their confidential informant, why wouldn't they publish his name and title if they knew? Sure it could be an attempt yo smear him, cause him to go into hiding, discredit him, or maybe give weight to the accusations that it wasn't an online troll. Doxxing doesn't really carry weight with journalism who don't care if your name or address gets leaked. So that is always the danger of being part of news like this.
KingK
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(01-12-2017, 02:45 PM)
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Yeah, I'm canceling my WSJ subscription and letting them know that this is why. Absolutely disgusting to put the life of a source at risk like this. I hope he stays safe. Apparently he helped take down FIFA and now is going for Trump. The man's a hero.
Blader
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(01-12-2017, 02:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Qvoth

I doubt putin will send kgb assassins after him, that would make his story seem even more legit
This is the age of disinformation after all, just make up some stupid shit and he'll be a non factor

There is no attention span for this kind of shit anymore. Putin has had multiple journalists, former agents and other political enemies assassinated, paired with these ridiculous cover-up stories, and the public forgets almost immediately.
Lord Frieza
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(01-12-2017, 02:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Enduin

People need to realize killing him is not so much about squashing the rumors and his credibility, though it does help in its own weird way, but mostly to send a message to other would be leakers, investigators, etc. That you do not fuck with Putin cause this is what happens when you find a stranger in Siberia. It shuts this guy up for good and sends a message to those like him, this is you're reward.

I wonder if there's any real stop to Putin. He's running his economy into the ground, will there ever be a breaking point where either there's a massive revolt or people on the inside realize he's gone too far? Man, the rise of the far right just seems so unstoppable right now. I don't hold any real hope for my generation, maybe even the next generation is too much to hope for, too. I feel sad and dead on the inside anymore.
ClosingADoor
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(01-12-2017, 02:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Tugatrix

Found the guy linkedin, which is strange for a profession that demand discretion

https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-steele-87151a6a/

He runs a consultancy firm. This is not strange at all.
diaspora
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(01-12-2017, 03:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by ISOM

Russians will want to kill him and trump's people as well. I'm sure Trump is not above doing the same.

What's the difference?
Killer Queen
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(01-12-2017, 03:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lord Frieza

I wonder if there's any real stop to Putin. He's running his economy into the ground, will there ever be a breaking point where either there's a massive revolt or people on the inside realize he's gone too far? Man, the rise of the far right just seems so unstoppable right now. I don't hold any real hope for my generation, maybe even the next generation is too much to hope for, too. I feel sad and dead on the inside anymore.

If this goes anywhere it could be a start.
ExtremePopcorn
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(01-12-2017, 03:01 PM)
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Another reason I don't believe this person exists is that he actually has a name.

The only people who could possibly know that 'Christopher Steele' was commissioned to write this report are those who commissioned it, active or former intelligence agents and his 'company'.

None of those have any reason to include his name when releasing the information, it's dangerous and marks you as someone not to be trusted.

When reports have been leaked in the past, it's always the agency, government dept or company which is name. Never the person, the CEO or Head might get named but not the actual person who wrote it.

Previous intelligence leaks have been swiftly followed up by a sustained campaign by politicians, intelligence agencies and certain parts of the press about how dangerous this is and people's lives are in danger.

We've had silence in this regards, a tame attempt at a D-notice by the UK government but they can't make it too obvious can we.
MikeyB
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(01-12-2017, 03:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lord Frieza

I wonder if there's any real stop to Putin. He's running his economy into the ground, will there ever be a breaking point where either there's a massive revolt or people on the inside realize he's gone too far?

This makes me wonder about the causal link between totalitarianism and substance abuse. Don't both countries have growing substance abuse problems and a li2ve affair with dogmatic politics?

Anyway, I'm hoping that the UK and Germany manage to stay involved of US affairs and prevent you guys from self-immolation.
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Originally Posted by KingK

Yeah, I'm canceling my WSJ subscription and letting them know that this is why. Absolutely disgusting to put the life of a source at risk like this. I hope he stays safe. Apparently he helped take down FIFA and now is going for Trump. The man's a hero.

It's a murdoch publication, you shouldn't have been subscribed in the first place. Make sure you avoid other murdoch operations. Fox, Sky, the Sun, etc.
Chaos2Frozen
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(01-12-2017, 03:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by MikeyB

This makes me wonder about the causal link between totalitarianism and substance abuse. Don't both countries have growing substance abuse problems and a live affair with dogmatoc politics?

Anyway, I'm hoping that the UK and Germany manage to stay involved of US affairs and prevent you guys from self-immolation.

There was a previous thread about Russian people dying from drinking Body lotion or some shit just to get the alcohol.
RPGCrazied
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(01-12-2017, 03:06 PM)
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Should release those tapes so we can get him out of office as soon as possible, there has to be tapes.
xtrasauce
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(01-12-2017, 03:06 PM)
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Fuck Rupert Murdoch's evil media empire.

R.I.P neighbour taking care of Christopher Steel's cats.
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(01-12-2017, 03:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by KingK

Yeah, I'm canceling my WSJ subscription and letting them know that this is why. Absolutely disgusting to put the life of a source at risk like this. I hope he stays safe. Apparently he helped take down FIFA and now is going for Trump. The man's a hero.

I think you're being a little naive here. But why support Murdoch either way.
Lord Frieza
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(01-12-2017, 03:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by Killer Queen

If this goes anywhere it could be a start.

I don't know, I would like to think so, but it really just seems like nothing at all seems to make a dent anymore. Trump got through, barely but still, and Putin really just seems like he can run wild and do goddamn anything, and you have these resurgences of it through various European countries, and Asia has its own brand.
Blader
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(01-12-2017, 03:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Lord Frieza

I wonder if there's any real stop to Putin. He's running his economy into the ground, will there ever be a breaking point where either there's a massive revolt or people on the inside realize he's gone too far? Man, the rise of the far right just seems so unstoppable right now. I don't hold any real hope for my generation, maybe even the next generation is too much to hope for, too. I feel sad and dead on the inside anymore.

Yeah, I do wonder when the bottom on these Soviet Union fantasies will finally fall out and the Russian people realize that their quality of life is still declining.
kayzai
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(01-12-2017, 03:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Massive Nights

Alexander Litvinenko's family would like a word.

He was an EX-KGB who defected.

Totally different to an EX-MI5. British citizen.
Omegasquash
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(01-12-2017, 03:21 PM)
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As credibility has been granted by our intelligence, I have reason to fear for this man's life. Ideally, evidence has been gathered and put in hands that are not exposed and aren't in a position of compromise, so that national, and potentially international, intelligence can perform a thorough investigation.

As long as Trump wasn't taking part or contributing in sexual slavery, then whatever with regards the alleged sexual behavior. Collusion, or at worst cooperation, is a different matter all together. It's a matter of national security, and credible sources alleging as much should be investigated, leaving no stone unturned.
Herr Schwarz
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(01-12-2017, 03:26 PM)
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Well if anyone can make it, an Mi6 agent should be able to. He probably had a sweet bug out bag too.

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