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Dnetwork7
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(05-19-2017, 04:43 PM)
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Real glad I upgraded to the PS4 Pro man. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Pandy
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Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes

So why is the PVP stuff locked to 30FPS on console?

Because design decisions. They chose consistency, and once they've made that decision it allows them to push the physics and stuff a bit harder as well.

I'm not saying the AI is so advanced they couldn't have cut back on other stuff to hit 60, but we've all known that this gen of consoles is CPU weak so it makes plenty of sense that studio known for having AI that's actually fun to fight is going to hit the wall before most other devs in the genre.
Kaako
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Prepare yo butts for that 30fps, future Scorpio owners.
60fps dream ain't happening with Destiny 2.
Hux1ey
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Originally Posted by PackAPunchedMick

Not sure that matters tbh, as digital foundry have stated before checkerboarding is more than enough to offer 4k at a reduced cost in gpu juice without sacrificing the image quality.

You really believe checkerboard 4k is the same IQ as native 4k?
mcrommert
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Originally Posted by PackAPunchedMick

Not sure that matters tbh, as digital foundry have stated before checkerboarding is more than enough to offer 4k at a reduced cost in gpu juice without sacrificing the image quality.

Seriously?
Gray-Fox
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(05-19-2017, 04:43 PM)
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IGN: "Yeah, makes sense."

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Doffen
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

I'm not sure I'd go that far.

Using only officially released promotional screenshots for both games...

Destiny 2:



Halo 5:

Those are the Forge Warzone created maps, right?
nOoblet16
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(05-19-2017, 04:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by 13ruce

So they are straight up lying? Pro can do 4k/30 fps but not 1080/900p 60 fps? Yeah right.

Resolution stresses the GPU not the CPU that's why they can achieve higher resolution but not 60FPS.
Tagyhag
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Originally Posted by PackAPunchedMick

Not sure that matters tbh, as digital foundry have stated before checkerboarding is more than enough to offer 4k at a reduced cost in gpu juice without sacrificing the image quality.

It depends on the person to be honest. I can always tell the difference between checkerboard or native 4K.

Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic implementation, but it's not 1:1 like Sony would like people to believe.
Daffy Duck
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Originally Posted by Kaako

Prepare yo butts for that 30fps, future Scorpio owners.
60fps dream ain't happening with Destiny 2.

I dunno, I think people will accept that if it's native 4k.
PackAPunchedMick
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(05-19-2017, 04:44 PM)
Why are people assuming if the cpu was more powerful they'd use the extra juice to increase the framerate?

It would go to graphical fidelity and we all know it.
Phyla
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Man, these quotes remind me how unreasonable annoyed I am with people repeating 'like..' or 'I mean' over and over.

Anyway, I'd rather have a stable 30 FPS than a FPS count bouncing between 30 and 60.
Midas
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Originally Posted by Gray-Fox

...

Haha, yeah, that was quite funny actually.
scoobs
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Originally Posted by darkwing

then Scorpio would be the only hope for a 60fps console version

The Scorpio uses the same CPU, which is why neither of these machines can ever reliably do 60fps in any kind of demanding game. The jaguar is a piece of shit CPU among piece of shit CPUs.

Our only real hope of 60fps glory will be when they drop in an actual CPU into these things.
Stormhammer
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(05-19-2017, 04:45 PM)
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so people who say there is no excuse, tell me how you would fix it to make it 60
nOoblet16
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Originally Posted by Tron#1

4k/30 in 2017.... On consoles. Guess I will hold off.

I was wondering when someone will make the *insert year number* comment. 4K/30 is already a big deal on consoles (even with checkerboarding).
iRAWRasaurus
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If anything the real reason imo is the basic PS4 and xbone can't do 1080p and 60 fps.
Trup1aya
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(05-19-2017, 04:45 PM)
Strange that H5 can hit 60fps with more AI and physics than anything I've seen from Destiny.
ISee
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I'm actually surprised...
I thought people already knew about the shortcomings of the jaguar cpu.
Fata1moose
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Originally Posted by Nirolak

I'm not sure I'd go that far.

Using only officially released promotional screenshots for both games...

Destiny 2:



Halo 5:

You're comparing a large scale game mode with lower resolution textures. The 4v4 arena in Halo 5 looks better than that.
Lister
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(05-19-2017, 04:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by iMax

Could they theoretically use GPU compute to overcome this (at cost of course)?

Also I wonder if TV frame enhancing technologies could work to fill this gap in the future... On a good TV it can fill frames at about 100ms but if they can cut this down (with HDMI VRR too), could be a decent solution.

This would only add a TON of latency to the game plus interpolation artifacts.
SunBroDave
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Originally Posted by darkwing

then Scorpio would be the only hope for a 60fps console version

Scorpio also has a shit CPU
Interfectum
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Originally Posted by Tron#1

4k/30 in 2017.... On consoles. Guess I will hold off.

Guess what... in 2024 there will be 8k/30 games too. The current year has little to do with framerate.
Costia
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Originally Posted by The Hamburglar

they're using the cpu as an excuse. there is no reason this game should be 30fps considering it doesn't look any better than halo 5 and the pvp is 4v4.

But it has nothing to do with how it looks. What's restricting them is not GPU power it's CPU.
Like they said its physics and AI - it won't affect much how the game looks, it will affect how the game plays - i.e. enemy behavior and interactions between objects in the map.
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nOoblet16
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Originally Posted by PackAPunchedMick

Why are people assuming if the cpu was more powerful they'd use the extra juice to increase the framerate?

It would go to graphical fidelity and we all know it.

Umm...CPU doesn't really do graphics. If there was more CPU power it'd have gone towards either higher framerate or more complex game simulation and bigger world...not graphics because graphical fidelity is on GPU.
bananafactory
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Originally Posted by Stormhammer

so people who say there is no excuse, tell me how you would fix it to make it 60

Obviously they would just modify the code

Set(game.framerate)=60fps

Money please
jelly
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(05-19-2017, 04:47 PM)
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Probably true to some degree but Bungie engines aren't a shining example of lean and mean. They didn't aim for 60fps and that's all there is to it.
Last edited by jelly; 05-19-2017 at 04:50 PM.
Spoo
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Reads like bullshit to me, honestly. Like, be honest about your resources -- if you can't do it, then just say you can't. If it's a choice, and you chose one angle, then state so. Don't be like "Well, we have all this stuff, and when we pushed the 'on' switch it just didn't work" -- instead, be like, we have all this stuff, and we want to keep all of it, and we don't have the resources.

Because when you turn your attention to MP, it's not some ridiculous physics sim. TitanFall, Cod, they are physically doing the same things, and they are doing it at 60 fps -- grenade 'bounce' physics aren't chopping off that extra 30.

Just be honest, lol. "It's complicated" is such a fucking turn off.
Kyne
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it's already been stated that it's 30FPS across all consoles.

give it up people.

if you gave Scorpio 60FPS you'd have to separate the player-base from the OG Xbox One players who play on 30FPS.

you really think they are going to do that?
Lister
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Originally Posted by nOoblet16

I was wondering when someone will make the *insert year number* comment. 4K/30 is already a big deal on consoles (even with checkerboarding).

Is it native 4K or is it dynamic resolution it never actually hits 4K except when staring straight up at the skybox "4K"?

'cause you can often never tell until the game comes out.
Jaguar Victory
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Originally Posted by Kaako

Prepare yo butts for that 30fps, future Scorpio owners.
60fps dream ain't happening with Destiny 2.

All good. I can't wait to see whay they use the extra juice for on Scorpio. If the Pro can get 4k30 them Scorpio at 4k30 should have significantly better assets and effects.
nOoblet16
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Originally Posted by Stormhammer

so people who say there is no excuse, tell me how you would fix it to make it 60

By doing....stuff
TwitchZeezbruh
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Originally Posted by KainXVIII

Same for Scorpio, i guess

Yeah because when people buy the "Pro" console they don't want any advantages, lol.
PackAPunchedMick
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(05-19-2017, 04:48 PM)

Originally Posted by nOoblet16

Umm...CPU doesn't really do graphics. If there was more CPU power it'd have gone towards either higher framerate or more complex game simulation and bigger world...not graphics because graphical fidelity is on GPU.

Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant.

We would get improved physics, particle effects etc...
Tagyhag
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Originally Posted by hemo memo

I'm okay with 30fps on PS4 because Destiny 1 was great for me even in multiplayer but:



No IGN, it actually doesn't make sense.

Why not? What do you guys think the CPU does and how strong do you guys believe the CPU in a Scorpio is?

We get one mid-cycle refresh and suddenly people who have never owned PC's before are now experts in all the parts lol.

Next we'll be hearing how Scorpio's CPU is stronger than some i7's because it has more cores...
BroodShadow
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Originally Posted by Trup1aya

Strange that H5 can hit 60fps with more AI and physics than anything I've seen from Destiny.

This just is not true and Halo 5 had to give up a lot to hit 60fps in the first place.
Bungie was not willing to take that hit to get the game to be 60fps.

In my opinion this is not even a big deal Destiny played fine enough at 30fps and yes while 60fps is better bungie never picks a 60fps target so i'm not sure how people got disappointed by this news.
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wait, were people actually expecting a 60fps Bungie game on consoles?

Originally Posted by jmxxii

We will see.. I'm glad I haven't pre-ordered yet.

spoiler alert:

it won't be
Dee Dah Dave
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Most games on console will be 30fps regardless of what CPU the machine has. Devs choose graphics over quality gameplay and the majority of console kids are fine with it.

It's here to stay until 'hardcore gamers' revolt!
nOoblet16
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Originally Posted by Lister

Is it native 4K or is it dynamic resolution it never actually hits 4K except when staring straight up at the skybox "4K"?

'cause you can often never tell until the game comes out.

It'll likely be checkerboard 4K. CBR provides a 30-35% performance boost over native which would out it in reach of PS4. Not many games really do dynamic 4K and it's more common to either just have an intermediate fixed resolution like 1440P or CBR.

Infinite Warfare did dynamic 4K and it did hit that quite often actually.
Stormhammer
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Originally Posted by Trup1aya

Strange that H5 can hit 60fps with more AI and physics than anything I've seen from Destiny.

doesn't halo also have the claymation-like enemies in the distance
Carn82
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(05-19-2017, 04:51 PM)
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"cheap average laptop-based CPU tech has trouble calculating 60 fps of triple-A online mayhem, more news at eleven".
jmaine_ph
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Bungie doesn't want to sacrifice whatever it is you would need to make the game 60fps on consoles is all they had to say.
jono51
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(05-19-2017, 04:52 PM)
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glad i didn't fall for the ps4 pro scam
Kaako
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Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

I dunno, I think people will accept that if it's native 4k.

IF? Of course it'll run at 4K native on a closed 6TF+ system. Expect that at bare minimum with Destiny 2 Scorpio port. Most likely higher texture packs/assets as well.
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Those notebook cpu's rearing their ugly head again. Never expected 60 anyways. Bungie's shooters are always 30. Will get it on PC.
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I do get pve being 30fps if the levels are actually large with tons of enemies even if the graphics aren't improved much from 1. But sorry, still no excuse for the Crucible being 30fps and I'm sad IGN didn't grill them on it.
Xando
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Originally Posted by Carn82

"cheap average laptop-based CPU tech has trouble calculating 60 fps of triple-A online mayhem, more news at eleven".

Fucking lazy devs
ultrazilla
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(05-19-2017, 04:52 PM)
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This really sounds like Bungie is just keeping this 30fps as mentioned
for fairness in multiplayer but people with a Pro and 4k tv will get a nice
resolution bump. I'm super o.k. with that.
Aesthet1c
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Bummed it's not 60 on consoles, but I'm stoked to hear they are doing 4K on the Pro!

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