Did I make it in this thread before "I voted for Brexit but there's no reason to explain my vote to you all!" or are we still see the phenomena of people refusing to explain why they voted to leave?
Time will tell whether you are a naive optimist or not, but what you certainly must be is an optimist, for you have voted for total chaos despite clearly understanding the myriad risks and potential downsides. I have to slightly wonder at what massive upside you foresaw from Brexit that made the risk worth it.
He didn't really ask that. He asked whether anything would ever be able to change my mind about voting leave. I said the answer is yes, I'd change my mind if Brexit turned out to be permanent disaster. I listed a number of factors that could make me change my mind. I answered his question. Done.
And what exactly were your reasons to change from Remain to Leave?
I see posts like this a lot, where someone insists they did a lot of research, and put a lot of thought into their vote, but then never actually reveal the arguments/evidence that convinced them. It's always a bit suspect to me tbh.
This reads to me that you will only really be willing to accept that Brexit was a bad idea if in 10 years time the country is in a much worse state, but that doesn't explain what good you think will happen or is happening since the referendum.
The problem is that undoing Brexit will be really hard, so its not just a matter of trying something out for a decade and then choosing whether to keep it or not, you have to make an decision about what you believe will happen - and so far pretty much all of the impact of voting to leave has been negative.
So yeah, you kind of dodged the question, he asked what evidence there is that this was a good decision, and your reply was basically that you'll only know whether you made the correct decision in 10 years time. That doesn't answer why you made it in the first place
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to spend hours of my life explaining to Gaf why I voted the way I did. I see you think that makes me a coward and I suspect the implication is that I must be some kind of closet racist. But honestly, the reason I won't do it is because it would be a waste of time. I'm not going to persuade you of anything, so why bother? Let me put it this way. Why should I write a long essay justifying why I voted the way I did? Why does my reasoning matter to you? Is anything I say ever going to change your mind? Are you genuinely curious to hear a point of view and to potentially change your own? In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe you could ever be persuaded that Britain should leave the EU? Are you willing to concede that you were wrong? And is it possible that I, here and now, will be the person to persuade you of that?
I'm sorry to pre-judge you but I honestly don't think that I'm going to change your mind on this; I honestly don't think anything I ever say will make any meaningful difference to what anyone here thinks. Don't get me wrong - I don't anticipate that anyone here will change my mind either. We've all made up our minds now. But I don't see much value in spending my week off bogged down in an internet argument.
As far as I'm concerned, the purpose of discussion and debate is at least to help us understand the other side, and ideally to change to persuade them to think like us. Otherwise it's just a bunch of people talking to themselves when there just happen to be other people in the room.
This is an overwhelmingly pro-remain forum, and that means I'm heavily outnumbered in these discussions. It's really frustrating and exhausting to try and argue a complex case against a large forum full of people who have pre-determined that you're wrong, and many of whom believe that you're covering for some kind of racism. It's not fun to fight such a lop-sided battle, to get bogged down in misquotes and misinterpretations, and to be totally unable to make headway. It'll be even less fun when a drive-by shitposter inevitably comes along, deliberately misquotes the first line of my essay, and we all spend the next three pages discussing whether I'm a xenophobe or how I have no understanding of xyz or whatever.
I'm not going to stand up and explain why I voted the way I did because it would be a completely fruitless and exhausting uphill battle. Try jumping into an overwhelmingly pro-leave forum and arguing for remain. It's not fun or productive to be so heavily outnumbered. Nobody's going to be persuaded by my views on EMU or the European Neighbourhood Policy or the democratic deficit or whatever. So I'm going to leave it there and enjoy what little remains of my Monday night.