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minor effort
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(03-21-2017, 12:57 AM)
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I wonder if the cognitive dissonance is reaching any of those "I'm voting Trump because I'm sick of Clinton / Bush political dynasties" voters yet.
Nafai1123
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(03-21-2017, 12:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by Matt

I'm not really sure it does...

I makes sense for their to be another, informal position to help with State ceremonial business, but why that couldn't be a daughter instead of a wife I don't know.

I'm not sure why she would need classified access for that.
Sir TapTap
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(03-21-2017, 12:59 AM)
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Of course, the person the president's fucking usually gets special clearance.
Master Yoshi
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(03-21-2017, 01:00 AM)
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Sharing classified information?
LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!
ZOONAMI
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(03-21-2017, 01:00 AM)
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So where the fuck is the ethics committee? Nepotism doesn't matter I guess.
PopcornMegaphone
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(03-21-2017, 01:00 AM)
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Ivanka is a legit scumbag but no one wants to say it because they want to appear unbiased.
minor effort
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(03-21-2017, 01:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by PopcornMegaphone

Ivanka is a legit scumbag but no one wants to say it because they want to appear unbiased.

When Hillary Clinton said in a debate that "Donald Trump has wonderful children" factcheckers should have gone to town on that.
adamsappel
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(03-21-2017, 01:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by minor effort

I wonder if the cognitive dissonance is reaching any of those "I'm voting Trump because I'm sick of Clinton / Bush political dynasties" voters yet.

I wonder how they would react if Hillary did the same for Chelsea?
jelly
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(03-21-2017, 01:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by ZOONAMI

So where the fuck is the ethics committee? Nepotism doesn't matter I guess.

Didn't they get rid of that in the first week.

I've got feeling these aren't actual laws but merely guidelines that a good gentlemen would follow so they never needed to make it tough. How else could he skirt it?
Host Samurai
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(03-21-2017, 01:03 AM)
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Aren't there like....rules?
ZOONAMI
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(03-21-2017, 01:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by jelly

Didn't they get rid of that in the first week.

I've got feeling these aren't actual laws but merely guidelines that a good gentlemen would follow so they never needed to make it tough. How else could he skirt it?

I don't think they actually went through with gutting it. Iirc there are actual laws on nepotism.
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(03-21-2017, 01:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Matt

I'm not really sure it does...

I makes sense for their to be another, informal position to help with State ceremonial business, but why that couldn't be a daughter instead of a wife I don't know.

i guess i'm going off distance. flotus seems like the best person to be in that informal position considering the closeness to the president.

Originally Posted by Nafai1123

I'm not sure why she would need classified access for that.

also this.

her husband's a senior advisor; i don't see why she should get access to materials while still being able to distance herself from the white house/presidency.
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(03-21-2017, 01:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Host Samurai

Aren't there like....rules?

Ha, rules!

Rules are for peasants.
Matt
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(03-21-2017, 01:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rembrandt

i guess i'm going off distance. flotus seems like the best person to be in that informal position considering the closeness to the president.



also this.

her husband's a senior advisor; i don't see why she should get access to materials while still being able to distance herself from the white house/presidency.

The actual First Lady doesn't seem interested in doing this job, so the daughter could be filling the position instead.

Having other family members fill in for the First Lady for various reasons actually isn't uncommon.

Now, obviously none of this is to defend Trump or the administration, just pointing out that Ivanka having an office or working in the White House isn't a scandalous thing in and of itself.

Her getting security clearance? That's much more rare, but on the other hand FLOTUS has often been privy to classified information without ever actually getting clearance.
Verano
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(03-21-2017, 01:16 AM)
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getting back at her enemies I guess
Palette Swap
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(03-21-2017, 01:18 AM)
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Plot twist: she's behind half the leaks, just to get rid of the insufferable men in her life.
Rumblebones
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(03-21-2017, 01:19 AM)
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Why is no one talking about this shit?
EdibleKnife
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(03-21-2017, 01:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Rumblebones

Why is no one talking about this shit?

Focus on the Trump/Russia panel or ignoring/justifying it like all other Trump BS
Volimar
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(03-21-2017, 01:22 AM)
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They're probably getting around the rules by saying she's not an employee.
johnsmith
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(03-21-2017, 01:22 AM)
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Originally Posted by Palette Swap

Plot twist: she's behind half the leaks, just to get rid of the insufferable men in her life.

SchrodingerC
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(03-21-2017, 01:27 AM)
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The definition for Nepotism should just feature a picture of Trump and his spawn, no need for words.

I wish some government official could stop this.
Jeremy
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(03-21-2017, 01:29 AM)
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We're not getting the White House back from that family guys.
i-Lo
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(03-21-2017, 01:29 AM)
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Presumably, she isn't party to an emolument clause and that means having unprecedented access to most sensitive economic and political information will give her immense opportunities to make substantial amounts of money from her future business dealings.
Ploid 3.0
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(03-21-2017, 01:35 AM)
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you our first female president. Cats out of the bag. Trump is her puppet, he's so many people's puppet. Who will be the final president though?
Boney
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(03-21-2017, 01:35 AM)
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That ethics advisor isn't doing such a good job.
ClosingADoor
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(03-21-2017, 01:36 AM)
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It seems you Americans lack a whole lot of actual laws and rules surrounding these things and just relied on tradition and informal agreements. No way she should have access to things like this.
EdibleKnife
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(03-21-2017, 01:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by ClosingADoor

It seems you Americans lack a whole lot of actual laws and rules surrounding these things and just relied on tradition and informal agreements. No way she should have access to things like this.

It's not that we don't have rules or formal agreements but that people with money and power are more free to skirt around those obstacles
Netherscourge
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(03-21-2017, 01:39 AM)
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But, LEAKS!!!!!
Dai101
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(03-21-2017, 01:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Matt

The actual First Lady doesn't seem interested in doing this job, so the daughter could be filling the position instead.

Netherscourge
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(03-21-2017, 01:41 AM)
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He's raising a family of oligarchs afterall...
OG Shaka Zulu
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(03-21-2017, 01:41 AM)
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I can't believe I've entered a timeline where I'd rather have Jeb Bush or Lindsey Graham as president.
Matt
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(03-21-2017, 01:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dai101

Well, I brought that on myself.
Lagamorph
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(03-21-2017, 01:43 AM)
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Well at least the secrets about the aliens probably won't stay secret much longer.
Apathy
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(03-21-2017, 01:46 AM)
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Nepotism, they name is Trump
Strike
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(03-21-2017, 01:48 AM)
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Totally not corrupt at all. No sirree.
wildfire
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(03-21-2017, 01:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Matt

To be fair, the First Lady is also not an official position, and they get an office and staff in the White House.

Exactly.


Ivanka is the First Daughter because the First Lady is far less capable.

Personally I don't mind the security clearance being granted but it is unusual.
neurosisxeno
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(03-21-2017, 01:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by wildfire

Exactly.

Ivanka is the First Daughter because the First Lady is far less capable.

Personally I don't mind the security clearance being granted but it is unusual.

Normally anyone that close to the President also rids themselves of conflicts of interest. There is no indication at all that Ivanka plans to do that--or even that Trump has actually followed through with doing that.
Last edited by neurosisxeno; 03-21-2017 at 02:07 AM.
Culex
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(03-21-2017, 01:57 AM)

Originally Posted by wildfire

Exactly.


Ivanka is the First Daughter because the First Lady is far less capable.

Personally I don't mind the security clearance being granted but it is unusual.

Pretty sure it's unprecedented. There is zero reason she should have access to confidential or classified into, unless she is holding an actual white house position.
ZOONAMI
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(03-21-2017, 02:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Culex

Pretty sure it's unprecedented. There is zero reason she should have access to confidential or classified into, unless she is holding an actual white house position.

She is an official advisor? Aka we don't give a fuck about nepotism. She probably has a salary and is getting our tax $.
wildfire
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(03-21-2017, 02:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lonewulfeus

Pretty sure her job title is Presidential Masturbatory Aid.

Originally Posted by Sir TapTap

Of course, the person the president's fucking usually gets special clearance.


This is out of line guys. Mind changing your posts in being critical of her actions?
ZOONAMI
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(03-21-2017, 02:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by wildfire

This is out of line guys. Mind changing your posts in being critical of her actions?

'If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her"

- Our Terrible President
.JayZii
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(03-21-2017, 02:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bruce Springsteen

She was likely told all the classified information anyway, just making it legal now

Pretty much.
ElFly
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(03-21-2017, 02:07 AM)
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stop trying to anthropomorphize the trumps
wildfire
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(03-21-2017, 02:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Culex

Pretty sure it's unprecedented. There is zero reason she should have access to confidential or classified into, unless she is holding an actual white house position.

It is unprecedented.


I would bet they are doing this because the admin is so corrupt and incompetent they felt the need to protect her by granting jet officially the clearance to hear things that will get most of them in trouble once Trump is impeached.
neurosisxeno
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(03-21-2017, 02:08 AM)
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It's also important to note that while FLOTUS tends to have a role and Ivanka is allegedly filling such a role, the Office of the First Lady is in the East Wing of the White House. The West Wing is traditionally (and exclusively) close advisers and people who work directly for the President. This is an unorthodox move. I imagine it's because they cannot legally make her a salaried adviser to the President without violating Nepotism laws.
capitalCORN
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(03-21-2017, 04:58 AM)
Beer Monkey
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(03-21-2017, 05:01 AM)

Originally Posted by capitalCORN

LOL.

Assassinate me if old.
Atom Heart Mother
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(03-21-2017, 05:01 AM)
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If Ivanka becomes the first female president, that'll be a real knife in the heart to Hillary
neurosisxeno
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(03-21-2017, 05:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Atom Heart Mother

If Ivanka becomes the first female president, that'll be a real knife in the heart to Hillary

Republicans will never elect a woman. Not as it stands right now. A lot of Republicans (especially Evangelicals) would rather abstain from voting than give a woman the highest office in the land. Also, I don't think Ivanka is actually a Republican at heart. She may be going along with her father for personal benefit but reports point to her and Jared being a lot more moderate than Trump/Bannon.
A Serious Man
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(03-21-2017, 05:04 AM)
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Ivanka feels like the kid who agrees to move back to their parents town to take care of them so they don't have to be put in a nursing home.

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