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View Poll Results: When should the UK celebrate Independence Day?
June 23rd (Referendum Vote)
92 5.47%
March 29th (Article 50)
69 4.10%
The date Brexit completes
180 10.71%
July 4th (As per 1996's hit film Independence Day)
812 48.30%
Why not all of the above?
528 31.41%
Voters: 1681. You may not vote on this poll


NekoFever
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(03-20-2017, 01:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Protome

Brain drain is going to be one of the most crippling parts of all this. If the EU is smart they'll make it easy for skilled workers to get out of the UK.

Just watch the health services. So many doctors already know they can get better pay, conditions, quality of life, etc abroad, and a qualified British doctor can almost take their pick of other countries. We've got a government that's undermining and dismantling the NHS at every opportunity, and the NHS is going to lose the option of quickly and easily hiring doctors from within the EU.

My girlfriend's a doctor and has a ridiculous number of medical friends who've left for Australia in the last couple of years. Pretty sure she's had her head turned after going out there for a wedding last year.
iMax
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(03-20-2017, 01:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plum

We're walking into the proverbial final exam of our time having done no revision, with no idea of what the questions will be, and with an examiner whose best interests are to see us fail.

We're fucked.

That's what retakes are for!
Dorsal Axe
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(03-20-2017, 01:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Herr Schwarz

The final fuck you from the baby boomer Thatcherite cunts that weren't content of fucking over one generation but had to stick it to the even youngest.

Fuck these Thatcherite cunts, luckily enough for them they'll all be fucking dead by the time the real strain hits.


Don't worry though after brexit it's the fucking disabled on benefits that'll be blamed for ruining the country.

If there's a riot where we finally target the fucking Tory leadership I'll be there to drag these cunts out their houses. Bastille Day these fucks.

But like i said they'll all be dead by that time. We're literally making decisions on the countries future based on the wishes of a bunch of soon to be dead boomer cunts.

Cos they worked so hard for their massive wealth Thatcher fucking served them up, honest.

The ironic thing is that the Tories are going to destroy Thatcher's legacy.
Ravensmash
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(03-20-2017, 01:35 PM)
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I look forward to two years of negotiating and us ending up with less control and less money.
Jackpot
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(03-20-2017, 01:35 PM)
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"If you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere" - genuine speech by our PM.
Murkas
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(03-20-2017, 01:36 PM)
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Just got an email saying I will be receiving my control sometime this week, I can't wait.

What you guys planning to do with your control once it arrives?
sankt-Antonio
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(03-20-2017, 01:36 PM)
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That's my birthday. At least I won't forget the day brexit was triggered for the rest of my life.
BibiMaghoo
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(03-20-2017, 01:37 PM)
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I'd like to blame the impending failure of our country as something 100% on the Leave voters. The reality however, is it is David Camerons fault. He played with political fire to appease hardliners in his party, never considering he may actually not get the result he was certain of. Ruined his own career and legacy by dropping the country in the bin then making a swift exit.

Leave voters were sheep, but this man led them unintentionally to the hands of Murdoch and Farage.
Plum
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(03-20-2017, 01:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by iMax

That's what retakes are for!

Only Scottish schools will get a retake in this exam, I'm afraid.
DSN2K
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(03-20-2017, 01:38 PM)
I think the doom & gloom train wreck scenarios are mostly overstated.

Britain will survive like it always has done, we will likely be worse off for it but ultimately the decision has been made. who knows perhaps 10-20 years down the line we will rejoin.
Crab
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(03-20-2017, 01:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by NekoFever

Legal consensus is leaving the EU isn't final until the day a country actually leaves, at the end of negotiations.

Note that this is merely informed opinion, and has never received official legal clarification to date.
axisofweevils
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(03-20-2017, 01:44 PM)
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Ironically, there's a massive Pro-EU March / Demo in London on the 25th.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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(03-20-2017, 01:44 PM)
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I guess this is goodbye Britain.
QuicheFontaine
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(03-20-2017, 01:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by axisofweevils

Ironically, there's a massive Pro-EU March / Demo in London on the 25th.

Pretty sure that was planned to coincide with Theresa May's planned date of Art. 50 triggering from 6 months ago. The timing isn't really "ironic".
oti
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(03-20-2017, 01:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by DSN2K

I think the doom & gloom train wreck scenarios are mostly overstated.

Britain will survive like it always has done, we will likely be worse off for it but ultimately the decision has been made. who knows perhaps 10-20 years down the line we will rejoin.

The UK won't end up being Fallout 4. But this surely must be the absolute dumbest decision a sovereign nation has ever made. Greece's No was dumb too, but they remained pragmatic in the end. Brexit is just lunacy.
Linkstrikesback
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(03-20-2017, 01:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by DSN2K

I think the doom & gloom train wreck scenarios are mostly overstated.

Britain will survive like it always has done, we will likely be worse off for it but ultimately the decision has been made. who knows perhaps 10-20 years down the line we will rejoin.

Even if we do rejoin, which is inevitable, the UK either has to become a state of Europe or America eventually to remain relevant, we will never have it as good as we did now.

My hatred of 52% of the UK will never go away.
Plum
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(03-20-2017, 01:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by DSN2K

I think the doom & gloom train wreck scenarios are mostly overstated.

Britain will survive like it always has done, we will likely be worse off for it but ultimately the decision has been made. who knows perhaps 10-20 years down the line we will rejoin.

Unless you can present some idea of how this won't fuck the nation up then no, none of the "train wreck" scenarios are overatated. I'm tired of baseless optimism when nothing has been shown to justify it other than rhetoric that usually amounts to "always look on the bright side of life!" I'd rather not live the prime time of my life in a country where "survival" is its best option.
Last edited by Plum; 03-20-2017 at 01:49 PM.
theaface
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(03-20-2017, 01:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by DSN2K

I think the doom & gloom train wreck scenarios are mostly overstated.

Britain will survive like it always has done, we will likely be worse off for it but ultimately the decision has been made. who knows perhaps 10-20 years down the line we will rejoin.

This mentality absolutely baffles me. It equates to "So we're knowingly and willingly going to make things materially worse for ourselves for no discernible benefit but hey, the decision is made so full steam ahead regardless!"

Can anyone explain to me a GOOD reason (populism and pacifying the press don't qualify) why a country would embark on a path of self-harm as the negative consequences of doing so become more and more prevalent?

In what other walk of life would a person continue to do something that harmed themselves just because they said they would do it in the first place? It's like driving down the motorway at night with your headlights off and hoping for the best. Absolutely lunacy.


Incidentally any rejoin scenario (which is decades away), would see us rejoin on considerably poorer terms than we currently enjoy, and without GBP as our currency. Again, if that's the inevitable long term conclusion of this whole chapter, what is the fucking point?
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GoldenEye 007
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(03-20-2017, 01:49 PM)
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Hopefully the UK feels better about keeping the brown people out after this.
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(03-20-2017, 01:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by theaface

This mentality absolutely baffles me. It equates to "So we're knowingly and willingly going to make things materially worse for ourselves for no discernible benefit but hey, the decision is made so full steam ahead regardless!"

Can anyone explain to me a GOOD reason (populism and pacifying the press don't qualify) why a country would embark on a path of self-harm as the negative consequences of doing so become more and more prevalent?

In what other walk of life would a person continue to do something that harmed themselves just because they do said thing? It's like driving down the motorway at night with your headlights off and hoping for the best. Absolutely lunacy.

that's nationalism for yeah, people are ready to justify the irrational worst in the name of Country First even if it makes everyone in the country suffer
Symphonia
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(03-20-2017, 01:49 PM)
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Well, chaps, it's been a pleasure knowing you.
Tosyn_88
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(03-20-2017, 01:50 PM)
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This is like drinking poison, you know its going to probably kill you but because the voice of some are so loud, it continues to urge you to drink anyway
Daffy Duck
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(03-20-2017, 01:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by theaface

This mentality absolutely baffles me. It equates to "So we're knowingly and willingly going to make things materially worse for ourselves for no discernible benefit but hey, the decision is made so full steam ahead regardless!"

Can anyone explain to me a GOOD reason (populism and pacifying the press don't qualify) why a country would embark on a path of self-harm as the negative consequences of doing so become more and more prevalent?

In what other walk of life would a person continue to do something that harmed themselves just because they do said thing? It's like driving down the motorway at night with your headlights off and hoping for the best. Absolutely lunacy.


Incidentally any rejoin scenario (which is decades away), would see us rejoin on considerably poorer terms than we currently enjoy, and without GBP as our currency. Again, if that's the inevitable long term conclusion of this whole chapter, what is the fucking point?

Yep, I don't get this at all, it's crazy that we are actually being taken down this road, I cannot believe the leaders of our country are just so willing to go down this road.

There are some very scary times ahead.
Plum
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(03-20-2017, 01:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by GoldenEye 007

Hopefully the UK feels better about keeping the brown people out after this.

The brown people won't be kept out. Even then, the little Englanders in their depressing retirement villages who voted Brexit would have never seen them outside of the Daily Mail; the counties with the most brown people almost all voted Remain.
Stallion Dan
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(03-20-2017, 01:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Veelk

It sucks for all you British people, but atleast you don't have Donald Trump running your country.

Out of curiousity, when would it be possible to reverse this decision? Could there be a vote held to rejoin the EU?

Possible but extremely unlikely, and since rejoining would put us at an even worse position we are at now (still in) the public even less likely to vote back in. Losing the pound would be enough for many.
Herr Schwarz
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(03-20-2017, 01:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dorsal Axe

The ironic thing is that the Tories are going to destroy Thatcher's legacy.

Thatchers legacy was that of, people could retire early at 50 and take sweet govt pension.

I got a family boomer member, who had that happen, was running a partition of London council, with a zoology degree. Then thatcher takes about 1/3 of the government held council houses then creates a fucking fire sale for everyone to get rich on a sweet mortgage.

The wealth and opportunity between someone who was financially active during the early 80s to late 70s to say now, is so fucking vast and staggering.

House prices were so god damn low back then, anyone with half a sense of business acumen was going to live a cushty life. And the people picking up the bill? Would be anyone in the UK that are around 25-35.

My one family member and her brother went in on a house in Hamstead for example, for about 6 grand. (adjust for inflaction). It's just night and day the contrast of economic mobility from then to now.
jimbobsmells
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(03-20-2017, 01:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by Plum

The brown people won't be kept out. Even then, the little Englanders in their depressing retirement villages who voted Brexit would have never seen them outside of the Daily Mail; the counties with the most brown people almost all voted Remain.

Said it before, but likely to be even more 'brown people' when we start engaging with the commonwealth countries more.
Beefy
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(03-20-2017, 01:58 PM)
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Can't wait to be shit on even more because of my mental health issues.
QuicheFontaine
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(03-20-2017, 01:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by theaface

This mentality absolutely baffles me. It equates to "So we're knowingly and willingly going to make things materially worse for ourselves for no discernible benefit but hey, the decision is made so full steam ahead regardless!"

Can anyone explain to me a GOOD reason (populism and pacifying the press don't qualify) why a country would embark on a path of self-harm as the negative consequences of doing so become more and more prevalent?

In what other walk of life would a person continue to do something that harmed themselves just because they said they would do it in the first place? It's like driving down the motorway at night with your headlights off and hoping for the best. Absolutely lunacy.

Incidentally any rejoin scenario (which is decades away), would see us rejoin on considerably poorer terms than we currently enjoy, and without GBP as our currency. Again, if that's the inevitable long term conclusion of this whole chapter, what is the fucking point?

How about moving out of your parents' house? Most of the time this results in you being less well off in the short term.

And hey you can always move back in if it goes tits-up :-)
sazzy
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(03-20-2017, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Skiptastic

The ultimate trigger warning.

i like this post
GeordieMark
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(03-20-2017, 02:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by GoldenEye 007

Hopefully the UK feels better about keeping the brown people out after this.

Since when were Eastern Europeans brown?
Tregard
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(03-20-2017, 02:00 PM)
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I hear Toronto is lovely this time of year
DavidDesu
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(03-20-2017, 02:01 PM)
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As a pro indy Scot I'm curious to see negotiations begin. I do expect Scotland to become a bargaining chip, but likely mentioned under the radar unofficially on the sidelines.

It's depressing to think this is actually happening and that if all goes to plan we will not be EU citizens in a couple of years from now. How did it come to this?

I really like the EU there in the background making sure my government doesn't do anything too extreme, like rewriting our human rights and so on... I really don't want to live under these authoritarian Tories for the next couple of decades and seeing what they can do with complete power and control.
The Hobo
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(03-20-2017, 02:02 PM)
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So once Brexit is triggered, there's no going back, right? The UK will have to leave the EU?
JonnyDBrit
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(03-20-2017, 02:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by jimbobsmells

Said it before, but likely to be even more 'brown people' when we start engaging with the commonwealth countries more.

Yep. Meanwhile, if our emigration numbers don't go up (realised they've actually been relatively stable for a few years now), net migration isn't gonna drop like a rock the way a number of those voting Brexit want it to.

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Originally Posted by The Hobo

So once Brexit is triggered, there's no going back, right? The UK will have to leave the EU?

We can technically have a change of heart in the two years, for which we would need the unanimous consent of the other member states.

Thing is, we're in 2017, and the next General Election - the only legally required means by which the public might express its current feelings on the matter - is scheduled for 2020. The next time we get a say, it will already be over.
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Daffy Duck
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(03-20-2017, 02:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Hobo

So once Brexit is triggered, there's no going back, right? The UK will have to leave the EU?

I believe so.

No take backsies..
Dougald
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(03-20-2017, 02:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Hobo

So once Brexit is triggered, there's no going back, right? The UK will have to leave the EU?

That's debatable. It's a question that wouldn't really be answered unless we tried to reverse the process
The Hobo
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(03-20-2017, 02:06 PM)
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It'll be interesting to see how Ireland fares in all this. A lot of companies have to be looking at it as the new bridge between the US and the EU.
NekoFever
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(03-20-2017, 02:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by jimbobsmells

Said it before, but likely to be even more 'brown people' when we start engaging with the commonwealth countries more.

"India and Pakistan? We wanted people from Australia and Canada!"
ittoryu
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(03-20-2017, 02:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by QuicheFontaine

How about moving out of your parents' house? Most of the time this results in you being less well off in the short term.

And hey you can always move back in if it goes tits-up :-)

That doesn't really apply if you can't move back in straight up but you'll need to wait X number of years.
Dan27
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(03-20-2017, 02:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Hobo

It'll be interesting to see how Ireland fares in all this. A lot of companies have to be looking at it as the new bridge between the US and the EU.

If I was Ireland I'd be licking my chops in anticipation of this.
Heartfyre
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(03-20-2017, 02:07 PM)
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I'm hoping that the next election really is in May 2020. At that point, it'll be a year after the maximum period for the negotiations, and the weight of Brexit should truly be apparent.

And it'll be the Tories there to face it. They voted in the Commons for it, and their names are tied to the responsibility for all that transpires.

I'm glad to be visiting London this weekend. One last look before history takes its course.
liquidtmd
(03-20-2017, 02:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Hobo

So once Brexit is triggered, there's no going back, right? The UK will have to leave the EU?

Legally, I suspect we could.

Arrogance and stubbornness and not wanting to lose face will shit on that though.
Xe4
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(03-20-2017, 02:07 PM)
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You think the pound is going to hit parity with the dollar before the month is out? I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.
cartesian
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(03-20-2017, 02:09 PM)
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I voted Leave and I still feel okay about how I voted. To simplify my perspective, I think it's going to be quite messy but I think that life will go on. I would like to see some compromises in certain policy areas but I acknowledge that it's hard to predict what each side will prioritise. Anyway, I won't type out a huge essay defending my decision as I think we've all made up our minds by now! But I hope for the best.
JonnyDBrit
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(03-20-2017, 02:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xe4

You think the pound is going to hit parity with the dollar before the month is out? I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.

However low it goes, best to do any international shopping before the 29th.
Bony Manifesto
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(03-20-2017, 02:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heartfyre

I'm hoping that the next election really is in May 2020. At that point, it'll be a year after the maximum period for the negotiations, and the weight of Brexit should truly be apparent.

And it'll be the Tories there to face it. They voted in the Commons for it, and their names are tied to the responsibility for all that transpires.

Thank God the opposition took a stand against it though, right?
TheBlackMarvel
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(03-20-2017, 02:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Heartfyre

I'm hoping that the next election really is in May 2020. At that point, it'll be a year after the maximum period for the negotiations, and the weight of Brexit should truly be apparent.

And it'll be the Tories there to face it. They voted in the Commons for it, and their names are tied to the responsibility for all that transpires.

I'm glad to be visiting London this weekend. One last look before history takes its course.

You know Labour, the EU and anyone else will take the blame if things go wrong.
Crab
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(03-20-2017, 02:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xe4

You think the pound is going to hit parity with the dollar before the month is out? I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.

No. People have known this was going to happen, the odds of Theresa May deciding not to go ahead at this point were vanishingly low. Article 50 being triggered is already priced into the pound and I don't expect much movement on the formal announcement. What the pound will react to is news about the negotiating process as it goes along.
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(03-20-2017, 02:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jackpot

"If you're a citizen of the world, you're a citizen of nowhere" - genuine speech by our PM.

1+1 = 0 logic.

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