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Spike Spiegel
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(05-24-2016, 08:21 PM)
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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/...semi-spoilers/

This week sees the release of the gorgeous-looking Captain America #1 by Nick Spencer and Jesus Saiz.

And it will utterly change the history and very nature of Captain America. This was probably the big announcement originally planned by Marvel for yesterday in the wake of DC Universe Rebirth spoilers but it’s looking like it’s now been held back.

So what is it?

Well, it’s not the kiss with Sharon Carter, who notices how much older than Steve she now looks. Not even the liberal-left wing jibe on how unemployment is driving Hydra recruitment.

Because this is the issue in which we get Nick Spencer’s The Anatomy Lesson moment.The Anatomy Lesson being the second issue of Swamp Thing by Alan Moore and Steve Bissette where it is revealed that Swamp Thing was never Alec Holland, just the memory of him, preserved in vegetable matter.

Everything you knew was wrong.

If you want to avoid this spoiler then consider yourself warned. DC Universe: Rebirth? That was the trial run. Marvel wins.

The issue is released from Tuesday midnight in a variety of stores and timezones and in all stores from Wednesday morning. We won’t be talking about it till we have a copy in our hands bought from a comic shop. But that will probably be Forbidden Planet in London at midnight UK time, 7pm ET, 4pm PT.

May I recommend you get something like SpoilerShield and add “Captain America” and “Steve Rogers” into it?

Spoilers can currently be found described on The Outhousers, and directly in image form on 4chan. If you want to read this comic unsullied then I suggest you abandon the internet for the rest of the day.

WHAT

I can't even begin to fathom how they're going to explain that one. You're probably just going to have to run with it.


UPDATE:

As we approach midnight release on the East Coast, Bleeding Cool went ahead and posted an article with images, providing a fuller picture of the issue's events.

Link (spoilers, obviously)

UPDATE #2:

For those of you only reading the OP and wondering why this year-old thread got bumped, I'll let SpaceWolf explain.

Originally Posted by SpaceWolf

SPOILERS: SECRET EMPIRE #0's Shocking Captain America Secret Changes Everything

Up until now, we've been led to believe that the Red Skull used Kobik - a living Cosmic Cube - to rewrite Steve Rogers' history so that he's always been a Hydra agent working against the Allies and Avengers. Well, the truth was revealed in Secret Empire #0 this week and it's sure to leave you speechless!

It turns out that in the Marvel Universe, the Nazis won the war and it was the Allies who used the Cosmic Cube to rewrite history. That's revelation number one, but the truth is that Captain America was always loyal to Hydra. The actions of the Allies changed his life and left him with false memories of the war until fate led to the Red Skull usingKobik not to change his history, but actually restore it.

What this means is that Captain America has always been a villain. To call this shocking would be an understatement and it's something sure to upset fans hoping Steve would be "restored" to his old self.

While Captain America's adventures from when he was recovered from the ice all happened, the heroic Steve we all know and loved was a lie created by Cosmic Cube wielding Allies who wanted to save the world from the Nazis. In reality, Cap was always a spy who was loyal to Hydra and the version we're getting now is what he was always meant to be. How do you guys feel about all this reveal?



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Busaiku
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(05-24-2016, 08:23 PM)
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WHAT
Hexa
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They'll probably do something like the triple agent thing or something.
Mudcrab
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(05-24-2016, 08:24 PM)
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Gotta be a swerve it just has to be.
- J - D -
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Well that's dumb enough so it must be true.

Originally Posted by Mudcrab

Gotta be a swerve it just has to be.

or this.
dareacher
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(05-24-2016, 08:25 PM)
cannnn you guys spoil t plz lol
The Jackdog
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(05-24-2016, 08:26 PM)
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this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.
Broken Joystick
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(05-24-2016, 08:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by dareacher

cannnn you guys spoil t plz lol

Hail Hydra
Mudcrab
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(05-24-2016, 08:26 PM)
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and on the subject of

DC Universe: Rebirth? That was the trial run. Marvel wins.

No, Rich. What DC is doing is much, much wilder.
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Hero
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(05-24-2016, 08:27 PM)
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You make a spoiler thread but don't actually spoil it?
DeathyBoy
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(05-24-2016, 08:27 PM)
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Well, he did shape the century. I guess it's only fair he does it one more time.
maxcriden
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(05-24-2016, 08:27 PM)
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Well, either a fake-out or ruination of Cap's character.
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Originally Posted by The Jackdog

this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.

sounds like hot garbage

I assume it's an angle
PsychBat!
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(05-24-2016, 08:28 PM)
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lol I'm not even surprised. But it does explain why he would go with Carol in Civil War II.
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Originally Posted by maxcriden

Well, either a cop-out or ruination of Cap's character.

It's going to be a Red Skull memory implant or some such nonsense.
dareacher
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(05-24-2016, 08:28 PM)

Originally Posted by The Jackdog

this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.

euuu this cant be right.....they litrally cannot rewrite history to this point.....
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Steve spent the better part of a century systematically destroying Hydra.

Oh but it was all part of the bigger plan.

lol fuck off.
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(05-24-2016, 08:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Jackdog

this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.

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Originally Posted by The Jackdog

this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.

lol, that's beyond stupid.
Warxard
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(05-24-2016, 08:29 PM)
went to /co/ and the moment I saw it I went out for a cigarette

makes NO sense
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Originally Posted by Riskington


Nick, you're a ballsy motherfucker.

maxcriden
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Originally Posted by SocksAndShoes

It's going to be a Red Skull memory implant or some such nonsense.

Must be. Seems tired to create hype over a fake-out. I guess fake-out is the word I was looking for, not cop-out. Still, blegh.
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(05-24-2016, 08:29 PM)
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....OH MY
mrhyderager
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Marvel officially got too big for it's britches.
guek
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Nah I don't believe this sticks
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Originally Posted by The Jackdog

this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.

henhowc
(05-24-2016, 08:30 PM)
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well i guess i should have been on team iron man
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I don't get it. Why is it a spoiler that on the last page of Captain America #1, Cap says "Ayooo lmao"?
Coriolanus
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So it's a variation of Secret Warriors's "Shield Is Actually a Hydra Branch You Guyze" premisse?
LordRaptor
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

But the A on his head doesn't stand for that
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(05-24-2016, 08:31 PM)
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Isn't it possible he's just working undercover?
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Originally Posted by henhowc

well i guess i should have been on team iron man

glad I picked the right team since day one

congrats team cap. congrats.

Originally Posted by LordRaptor

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

But the A on his head doesn't stand for that

it was a typo'd H all along
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(05-24-2016, 08:31 PM)
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Is it just me or did Sharon Carter look younger when I first clicked this thread?

Originally Posted by The Jackdog

this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.

As a child as in when he was a young boy before WW2 or this is a person brainwashed to think he was Steve Rogers who was actually a programmed Hydra double agent?

Kinda stupid.
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Superhero comics are so bizarrely revisionist.
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Originally Posted by Coriolanus

So it's a variation of Secret Warriors's "Shield Is Actually a Hydra Branch You Guyze" premisse?

This did cross my mind and how that story played out encourages my swerve theory.
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(05-24-2016, 08:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by exmachina64

Is it just me or did Sharon Carter look younger when I first clicked this thread?



As a child as in when he was a young boy before WW2 or this is a person brainwashed to think he was Steve Rogers who was actually a programmed Hydra double agent?

Kinda stupid.

Franklin causing mischief while Reed's back was turned.
The Maverick
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(05-24-2016, 08:32 PM)
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Yikes. Comics keep doing too much.
Ashhong
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Jeez even articles about comics have junk like "DC wins, Marvel wins"
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Obviously an angle and/or something that will turn out alright for those who actually read it, like pretty much every other recent capes megaton by a decent writer.
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Originally Posted by The Jackdog

this is the spoiler, for those that dont want to search it out

uhhh obvious spoiler warning
On the last page of Captain America: Steve Rogers #1, Steve Rogers says: "Hail Hydra." Apparently, he's been Hydra all along, brought into the organization as a child by his mother.

The DC Rebirth stuff seems interesting and at least somewhat clever

This just sounds astoundingly dumb
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Originally Posted by The Maverick

Yikes. Comics keep doing too much.

but comics doing too much is why we read them.

Originally Posted by Ashhong

Jeez even articles about comics have junk like "DC wins, Marvel wins"

That's just Rich Johnston being Rich Johnston.
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Originally Posted by DeathyBoy

Franklin causing mischief while Reed's back was turned.

"Why did you do that, son?"
"Because it's funny to watch the ants run around."
*Reed screams internally*
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(05-24-2016, 08:33 PM)
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Is this because he doesn't know about NASCAR and myspace?
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That's just silly.
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So that article in the OP. Is the person that wrote it seriously this much of a mark? Or are people being self aware when they hyping nonsense like this?
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(05-24-2016, 08:34 PM)
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What the heck....
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#Tonywasright
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At this point this major character changing events or world affecting crisis, or whatever are getting so common they are getting generic. Every year its another world destroying threat or a super hero going through some dramatic changes but a lot of it never ends up sticking and a lot of it falls to the wayside. I guess I'm just getting tired for things that are supposed to be epic and change the game when we are getting reboots every couple years and most of this crap doesn't even last in the short term besides that. They just play so fast and loose with this stuff it makes my eyes roll so much I feel like they're going to fall out of my skull.
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Originally Posted by exmachina64

"Why did you do that, son?"
"Because it's funny to watch the ants run around."
*Reed screams internally*

I wonder if when Sue and Reed fight, Sue asks Franklin to create a pocket universe with Namor and Atlantis.

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