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Milly Osworth
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(09-10-2016, 09:30 AM)
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You need to be a rocket surgeon to buy the right tv these days.
R1CHO
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Originally Posted by Lanark

KS8000 55 inch goes for a little over 1800 euro in the Netherlands

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/5198...000-zwart.html

A lot more expensive than US prices, but so are all other tv's.

But that doesn't look like the American ks8000 wich has the two little feets instead of the stand.

The American ks8000 looks like the european ks7000
mrklaw
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(09-10-2016, 09:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by Steve McQueen

If I understood correctly a 1080p tv with 50Hz refresh rate ( which I own atm ) is way faster ( inputlag and response ) than a fancy tv with all the digital bells and whistles. Is it safe to say that a 50Hz 4K HDR10 capabele set will also perform better when it comes to gaming?

For all I know that gamemode on any tv will set 100/200Hz etc to 50Hz. For me personally , who will be using this tv purely for gaming, 50Hz might be the way to go as it is cheaper.

Sony has released some new models in August ( at least in the Netherlands ) which could do the trick ( 4K HDR10, although no info is geven on brightness ).
Models are:
- 49XD 8005
- 49XD 8077/ 8088 / 8099

I think the 8005 is the same range as the TV in the OP, only larger. So there should be a 43XD8005 as well
Vigilant Walrus
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(09-10-2016, 09:32 AM)
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need sRGB at 95%-99% accuracy:(
Vuze
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(09-10-2016, 09:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by teh_pwn

Basically your choices are:
1. Spend $5+k, and be super pissed in 1-2 years when it doesn't meet some new standard as 4K solidifies
2. Wait 2 years and spend $1k

I am in team 2, especially considering I have a really nice Sony 1080p low input lag panel + receiver.

Save for UHD blurays, a few things on Netflix, and high end PCs, there really isn't much 4K content at native resolution. It's like trying to have 1080p in the early 2000s. Did you miss it then? I didn't.

Yeah, it blows my mind how people can bust 5k on a 4K TV at this point.
I mean if they've got money to burn, sure. But I've seen people paying of these TV sets on monthly deposits. At the point they've paid it off the messed up TV industry has probably introduced Ultra HD Premium Super Smooth Deluxe.

I'm also in team 2. At that point there are probably also <10ms 4K60/120 HDR Gsync displays and semi-affordable GTX 1280 cards that can push these displays.
I felt like I was in the market for a 4K set but I'll let the TV industry get their shit together and then decide between a new monitor or TV.
osiris3355
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(09-10-2016, 09:34 AM)
I picked up the 49in x800D panel for a family member. Awesome TV for the price. It had surprisingly better blacks then the more expensive X830d but the 830 is a bit bigger and older.

Excited to see what will come next from Sony in 2017 given how competitive this one is.
oneils
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(09-10-2016, 09:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Karak

Ouch that panel is a friggen booby trap lol.
Do not get that damned thing. I swear this kind of stuff is almost straight up illegal.

Can you elaborate?
Caayn
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(09-10-2016, 09:37 AM)
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And this deserves a thread because? I get that people are excited for a new TV since the PS4Pro announcement. But this, the amount of new TV threads, is getting ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Lanark

KS8000 55 inch goes for a little over 1800 euro in the Netherlands

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/5198...000-zwart.html

A lot more expensive than US prices, but so are all other tv's.

The USA and EU models don't match.

EU - USA
KS7000 = KS8000
KS8000 = KS9000
KS9000 = KS9500
Karak
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(09-10-2016, 09:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by oneils

Can you elaborate?

My apologies everyone pretty much has. Its a bad panel not actually true HD with the wrong pixel setup. Its literally sneaking into the market on bullshit.
edit RTings seems to have corrected it and said it has a 10bit panel so I removed that from the original comment. That leaves the pixel setup which is actually not true 4k.
And no local dimming and its edge lit. Sort of double not wanteds as we move forward.
Last edited by Karak; 09-10-2016 at 09:43 AM.
E-Cat
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(09-10-2016, 09:40 AM)
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No Dolby Vision, no buy.
Taker34
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(09-10-2016, 09:44 AM)
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Tempting, even though I wonder if it'll be a noticeable difference when switching from a 3ms to 30ms input lag display... other than that it sounds like a solid choice.
Bookman
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(09-10-2016, 09:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Art Vandilay

This was not thread worthy.

I totaly see your point and there are already threads on 4K TVs. On the other hand , it is kind of intressing information , now with the PlayStation Pro and all that. There is incompatible data ( hrd10 ) and there is a need to discuss the newly released 4k tvs . I'll have to buy a 4K TV , I appreciated thread.

Still not sure if this tv has hdr10 ?
Steve McQueen
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(09-10-2016, 09:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by ktroopa

What is the uk model for this? I cant find anything on amazon or even the sony uk site is not clear. I want the 43" model as dont have space for anything bigger

The models are on the Sony UK site too.
c0de
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(09-10-2016, 09:52 AM)
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We create threads now with will recuse reviewed tv's from every company?
Does Sony still use Android on their sets? I heard horrible reviews about that.
Steve McQueen
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(09-10-2016, 09:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by mrklaw

I think the 8005 is the same range as the TV in the OP, only larger. So there should be a 43XD8005 as well

I actually think it's a new model. Last years model was 43XD8005C and this one is listed without the C. It's available since August 2016.

Anyway, these modelnumbers are driving me crazy already 😅
Redders
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(09-10-2016, 09:57 AM)

Originally Posted by longdi

btw what is the equivalent model no. for Euro?
I hate how AV companies name their models differently in each part of the world, so confusing

In the UK its XD8077/8099, assume its the same for the rest of Europe? No idea why it has 8077/8099.

Link incase you are in the UK http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia...c444a14ed88a33
Chris Metal
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(09-10-2016, 09:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Goodacre0081

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d

any downsides in going with the next model up? specifically the 55"

From what I read on the Sony site the two models are basically identical except for motionflow performance.

X800: 200Hz
X850: 800Hz
PackAPunchedMick
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(09-10-2016, 10:01 AM)
33ms is low input lag? Maybe in 2007.

That shit would make me barf.

Think I'm gonna wait it out until hdr isn't such a hinderence to performance.
TGO
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(09-10-2016, 10:01 AM)
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The 4k HDR version of my TV is £50 more than my current 1080p model, I lose a inch and 3D but still typical.
EvB
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(09-10-2016, 10:07 AM)
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What is theNIT output for this TV, Sony have refused to publish them.

Why? Because they likely don't meet 1000
longdi
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(09-10-2016, 10:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by c0de

We create threads now with will recuse reviewed tv's from every company?
Does Sony still use Android on their sets? I heard horrible reviews about that.

Its only 650 at amazon now, 2016 set that ticks many boxes, i think its good deal thread worthy
Chû Totoro
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(09-10-2016, 10:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by EvB

What is theNIT output for this TV, Sony have refused to publish them.

Why? Because they likely don't meet 1000

Doesn't HDR10 mean it's at least 1000?
lowhighkang_LHK
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(09-10-2016, 10:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bookman

Still not sure if this tv has hdr10 ?

Outside of me not owning the TV myself, I can verify that those who have looked and reviewed the TV professionally have indicated that yes, this TV is HDR10. There is a GAFFer who posted in this thread who owns this TV, and he seems happy with it. I think he would have indicated that if that wasn't the case.
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Caayn
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(09-10-2016, 10:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by c0de

We create threads now with will recuse reviewed tv's from every company?
Does Sony still use Android on their sets? I heard horrible reviews about that.

I don't get it either. There's a general thread for TV talk where people with knowledge tend to dwell. Threads like these are very prone for incorrect information.

Originally Posted by Chû Totoro

Doesn't HDR10 mean it's at least 1000?

UHD premium requires 1000 for LCD and 540 for OLED.

HDR10, and Dolby Vision for that matter, says nothing about a minimum output. Although with an output as low as this TV, combined with no local dimming and edge lit, you might as well not have HDR at all.
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Steve McQueen
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(09-10-2016, 10:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Chris Metal

From what I read on the Sony site the two models are basically identical except for motionflow performance.

X800: 200Hz
X850: 800Hz

Imo, turning motionflow off makes games look better. First thing I did ( after reading threads like these for hours a when PS4 launched ) when I got my new Sony w805 1080p screen,was turning off all digital bells and whistles. Resulted in better looking games and better performance. Feels odd dumping this set already :/

Maybe I should wait and see results of downsampling on a 1080p screen first, before buying a 4K set.
OriginalThinking
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(09-10-2016, 10:30 AM)
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I'm definitely tempted to pick up a new 4k HDR TV in the next few months. It'll have to be bigger than 47" as that's my current Samsung model with huge bezels that's probably about 6 years old. I'm not too concerned with input lag as i don't play many PvP games - and it's not something I've been affected by in the past. My budget is £1000 or less. Any recommendations from fellow UK'ers? I'll need to pick up a new AC receiver at around the same time....
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Donniewahlberg
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(09-10-2016, 10:31 AM)
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Nice to see smaller models coming up now. We have a 42" from 2009 (which is soooo old now), and we really don't need a bigger tv, so I would consider the 43" for sure. Tbh I'm not even that bothered about the 4k part but everyone seems to be sold on HDR.
EvB
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(09-10-2016, 10:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by Chû Totoro

Doesn't HDR10 mean it's at least 1000?

Nope.

There is so much confusion about this.



the "UHD premium" badge means it is over 1000nits, is 4K in resolution, has a 10 bit panel and supports HDR10 (which is the dataformat)

Sony don't Want to participate in this (because they only have a couple of sets that meet this requirement)

So they created
4K HDR
Which is a logo only on Sony TVs, that literally means nothing.
They have 450nit TVs with these badge.


It's full on proper marketing BS to the trick consumers intot buying something sub PAR.

As an actual kick in the teeth, Sony is part of the UHD Alliance that created the UHD Premium standard.
Samsung, LG, Panasonic are all adhering to this standardisation.

Just not Sony :/
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ktroopa
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(09-10-2016, 10:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Redders

In the UK its XD8077/8099, assume its the same for the rest of Europe? No idea why it has 8077/8099.

Link incase you are in the UK http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia...c444a14ed88a33

thanks. ok i found this on amz uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KD43XD...ravia+KD43XD80


seems to be the black bezel and the one i want :)

are these sets 10bit color - i cant seem to find any confirmation of this.
ViciousDS
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(09-10-2016, 10:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by ktroopa

thanks. ok i found this on amz uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KD43XD...ravia+KD43XD80


seems to be the black bezel and the one i want :)

are these sets 10bit color - i cant seem to find any confirmation of this.


They are 10 bit panels, but they are not HDR10. They will for the price still deliver amazing color and picture though and a decent form of HDR. If you want HDR10 for cheap.....you're not going to find it sadly
MaLDo
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(09-10-2016, 10:43 AM)

Originally Posted by Taker34

Tempting, even though I wonder if it'll be a noticeable difference when switching from a 3ms to 30ms input lag display... other than that it sounds like a solid choice.

It'll be VERY noticeable. Gaming limit must be under 20 ms. People used to play with higher input lag are so mad.
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I take it only Sony TVs with the "x-tended dynamic range pro" bullshit provide proper HDR with 1000+ nits? So not this.

Man I hate the TV industry. I honestly do. Such a huge amount of purposeful confusion, every time. And now we have "real HDR" and "poor man's HDR", plus the whole HDR10/Dolby Vision format war. Get it together people, jesus.
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(09-10-2016, 10:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by jett

I take it only Sony TVs with the "x-tended dynamic range pro" bullshit provide proper HDR with 1000+ nits? So not this.

Man I hate the TV industry. I honestly do. Such a huge amount of purposeful confusion, every time. And now we have "real HDR" and "poor man's HDR", plus the whole HDR10/Dolby Vision format war. Get it together people, jesus.


I think LG has a standard that's above Dolby vision coming out too now lol.

We all thought HD TV buying was hard back in 2007. It's about to get fucking stupid.

I really hope rtings review process becomes a standard for websites. PCMag also has a good review process pulling the marketing shit off the box and telling you exactly what it means in terms of comparison to the real deal.

Sadly the average consumer......doesn't care
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(09-10-2016, 10:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

They are 10 bit panels, but they are not HDR10. They will for the price still deliver amazing color and picture though and a decent form of HDR. If you want HDR10 for cheap.....you're not going to find it sadly

According the Dutch site they are HDR10 Wide Color Gamut

Edit: could be wrong though, it's not clear on the Sony website. What a mess this is...
Last edited by Steve McQueen; 09-10-2016 at 10:55 AM.
EvB
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

They are 10 bit panels, but they are not HDR10. They will for the price still deliver amazing color and picture though and a decent form of HDR. If you want HDR10 for cheap.....you're not going to find it sadly

See my post.

HDR10 is essentially a data format

Like MP3 vs OGG

You can have totally mediocre TV that supports HDR10, almost all of the current 4K Tvs are exactly that.
Taker34
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(09-10-2016, 10:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by MaLDo

It'll be VERY noticeable. Gaming limit must be under 20 ms. People used to play with higher input lag are so mad.

Oh well, so the wait for HDR 4K monitors in 2017 begins...
EvB
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(09-10-2016, 10:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by Taker34

Oh well, so the wait for HDR 4K monitors in 2017 begins...

Yeah it's going to take a while to show up in PC monitors as Win 10 anniversary was the first OS to gain HDR support and very few graphics cards support it (The new Polaris and Pascal ones do for example)
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(09-10-2016, 10:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by EvB

Yeah it's going to take a while to show up in PC monitors as Win 10 anniversary was the first OS to gain HDR support and very few graphics cards support it (The new Polaris and Pascal ones do for example)

this is really what I wanted before ordering my TV.....but I do need a TV for the big room lol. I love my IPS monitor ssssooo much. Hopefully ASUS is working on a nice set of 4k HDR monitors for the crowd.


Originally Posted by EvB

See my post.

HDR10 is essentially a data format

Like MP3 vs OGG

You can have totally mediocre TV that supports HDR10, almost all of the current 4K Tvs are exactly that.


God......things only get more confusing.....fucking hell
Anton668
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(09-10-2016, 11:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredrik

In my case, or rather at my viewing distance, 4K starts to make sense on bigger TVs and projector screens. Not sure how big though, I'm sure there is a graph for this but maybe 65" and above?

TV Size to Distance Calculator and Science
Pifje
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(09-10-2016, 11:09 AM)
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Wonder if the UI and menus are shitty and slow (takes solid 1 minute to open the menu after booting up the TV) as on my friend's 1,5 year-old Sony TV. Good god that shit was awful in comparison to my Samsung with the same exact panel.
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Originally Posted by Taker34

Tempting, even though I wonder if it'll be a noticeable difference when switching from a 3ms to 30ms input lag display... other than that it sounds like a solid choice.

I don't know of any monitor or HDTV that has a 3ms of input lag.

If you're below 20ms on a HDTV you're already the very top of the line in that category.
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(09-10-2016, 11:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by ViciousDS

They are 10 bit panels, but they are not HDR10. They will for the price still deliver amazing color and picture though and a decent form of HDR. If you want HDR10 for cheap.....you're not going to find it sadly

Im limited by space really, max tv size i can have is 43" which is not ideal. I sit 2m away. Guess il wait till 2017 and see if sony has sorted its act out by then..

This 10bit color and HDR shit is so confusing :/
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(09-10-2016, 11:12 AM)

Originally Posted by mrklaw

I think the 8005 is the same range as the TV in the OP, only larger. So there should be a 43XD8005 as well

its the same TV and in Europe there is 55 version of it... cheapest HDR10 TV right now for me in 49" and 55" sizes.
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(09-10-2016, 11:16 AM)
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There can only be one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00XP3W1...bedd7ef66465_S

Read the reviews - comedy gold.
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(09-10-2016, 11:16 AM)

Originally Posted by jett

I take it only Sony TVs with the "x-tended dynamic range pro" bullshit provide proper HDR with 1000+ nits? So not this.

Man I hate the TV industry. I honestly do. Such a huge amount of purposeful confusion, every time. And now we have "real HDR" and "poor man's HDR", plus the whole HDR10/Dolby Vision format war. Get it together people, jesus.

there are 8 bit HDR panels, there are 10 bit HDR panels that are real HDR, and then there are TVs that can show up to 1000 nits in small window for short time..

You can see this in the reviews, this is 10 bit panel with around 400nits max but evenly distributed... something like more expensive Samsung KS8000 can peak at 1400 nits for 2% of the screen short time, however its sustained rate is still around 500 nits.

You can see this in rtings reviews and it is not hard.
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(09-10-2016, 11:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by benny_a

I don't know of any monitor or HDTV that has a 3ms of input lag.

If you're below 20ms on a HDTV you're already the very top of the line in that category.

he probably thinks response time = input lag

which doesn't, but it does add to it.

Lowest input lag monitor I know of are 9ms and there might be some 8ms ones out there. But 3ms is nearly impossible on any HD device.


Originally Posted by ktroopa

Im limited by space really, max tv size i can have is 43" which is not ideal. I sit 2m away. Guess il wait till 2017 and see if sony has sorted its act out by then..

This 10bit color and HDR shit is so confusing :/

spwolf or the poster above me explained it well. All about that peak and sustained brightness.
longdi
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(09-10-2016, 11:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by benny_a

I don't know of any monitor or HDTV that has a 3ms of input lag.

If you're below 20ms on a HDTV you're already the very top of the line in that category.

My dell u3014 is measured to have 3ms of total lag, posted earlier.

I do feel my inputs have been instantaneous with it
Asd202
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(09-10-2016, 11:26 AM)
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Shame it's no where near that price in EU even with Euro=$
oneils
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(09-10-2016, 11:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Karak

My apologies everyone pretty much has. Its a bad panel not actually true HD with the wrong pixel setup. Its literally sneaking into the market on bullshit.
edit RTings seems to have corrected it and said it has a 10bit panel so I removed that from the original comment. That leaves the pixel setup which is actually not true 4k.
And no local dimming and its edge lit. Sort of double not wanteds as we move forward.

Thanks. Yeah, the edge lighting is somewhat of a turn off. And I had no idea that the resolution is not actually 4K. Thanks for that insight.
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(09-10-2016, 11:30 AM)

Originally Posted by Asd202

Shame it's no where near that price in EU even with Euro=$

i think it just got released in Europe, and it is still the cheapest 10 bit panel.

In 2 months we should get better prices.

Now question is if extra $350-$500 for KS7000 (EU) is worth it?

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