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Belgian Dude
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(04-20-2017, 10:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by KuwabaraTheMan

She didn't trust Zeke.

Zeke is the moron, because no one trusted him, and he tried to dictate a plan to people who didn't trust what he was selling.

And with Sierra/Debbie managing to get Ozzy out, they took a loyal member of the opposing alliance out and kept Zeke, who's volatile and no one trusts, in. Either way, someone from the other alliance goes and Sierra's now in the majority. With the exception of wasting the double vote (something that I don't blame Debbie doing because Sarah might not have voted with them/Cirie might not have wasted her vote), everything went incredibly well for the two. Zeke almost got himself out 11-1. There's no way Sierra's the moron here.
SuperSonic1305
(04-21-2017, 12:09 AM)
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I wish Ozzy would have won at least once. He is such a beast at challenges. Probably the best ever.
llehuty
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(04-21-2017, 12:54 AM)
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Noooo, I was rooting for Hali so hard. I think her being voted out is a consequence of the bad luck she had with the last swap and her previous relationship with power player Sierra. She is such an awesome speaker.

Also, Zeke is such a bad player. He is following to closely the Probst mantra "you have to make moves". I don't know if he is going to get any far, and even if he did, I don't see him getting many votes at FTC. He is a snake.
kirblar
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(04-21-2017, 12:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by llehuty

Noooo, I was rooting for Hali so hard. I think her being voted out is a consequence of the bad luck she had with the last swap and her previous relationship with power player Sierra. She is such an awesome speaker.

Also, Zeke is such a bad player. He is following to closely the Probst mantra "you have to make moves". I don't know if he is going to get any far, and even if he did, I don't see him getting many votes at FTC. He is a snake.

The "I NEED TO GET OUT DAVID NAO" thing blew up on him last season and it's all blowing up on him again here. He's not a good player and I really hope we don't have to put up with him a third time. 3x Andrea was bad enough.
Double Donut
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(04-21-2017, 01:47 AM)
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Fuuuuucking Christ. We lost so many amazing people pre-merge but I was at least thankful Hali managed to scrape by. Then she gets picked right off as the merge boot, yet again. Come on.

God, it sucks seeing how bad Hali had it all season. She was always on the bottom everywhere she went, never had a tight alliance.
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(04-21-2017, 03:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Unison

Varner is a shitbag.

Still can't stand Zeke.

Same. Pissed Ozzy is gone. Hoping Brad can pull it off.
Jack Scofield
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(04-21-2017, 06:03 AM)
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Brad seems like a real stand up guy, and I'm being completely serious. Some players have this weird dislike of him but he's a great dude every time he's on camera, confessional or no.
UberTag
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(04-21-2017, 06:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by Double Donut

Fuuuuucking Christ. We lost so many amazing people pre-merge but I was at least thankful Hali managed to scrape by. Then she gets picked right off as the merge boot, yet again. Come on.

God, it sucks seeing how bad Hali had it all season. She was always on the bottom everywhere she went, never had a tight alliance.

She was tight with Sandra that one week but that fizzled out almost immediately thanks to the pervasive, game-damaging tribe swaps.

Originally Posted by llehuty

Also, Zeke is such a bad player. He is following to closely the Probst mantra "you have to make moves". I don't know if he is going to get any far, and even if he did, I don't see him getting many votes at FTC. He is a snake.

He's pretty much Ciera. Except he had the benefit of not having his game pre-exposed with a bad reputation like hers was.
Last edited by UberTag; 04-21-2017 at 06:23 AM.
Unison
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(04-21-2017, 07:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by UberTag

He's pretty much Ciera. Except he had the benefit of not having his game pre-exposed with a bad reputation like hers was.

That's actually a totally accurate analogy.
Bubble
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(04-21-2017, 08:18 AM)
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The worst thing about Zeke is that he will probably return for a 3rd time.

When he does come back, I hope he is 1st boot (just like Ciera). Really can't stand players like him. Nothing worse then average players thinking they are really good at the game of Survivor.
ironmang
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(04-21-2017, 08:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Jack Scofield

Brad seems like a real stand up guy, and I'm being completely serious. Some players have this weird dislike of him but he's a great dude every time he's on camera, confessional or no.

For me he's up there with Cirie as most likable members of the cast this season. Not the most interesting person outside of being a good guy but I don't need everybody to be a big personality.
Double Donut
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(04-21-2017, 09:00 AM)
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Ozzy getting snuffed makes me think about that kinda "problem" Survivor has.

I'm not sure if it's really a problem or more of a limitation due to being so awesome, but it's just like... there are people who will absolutely never win this game. Because they're too fucking awesome.

I first realized this with Joe in his back-to-back seasons. Like, he was so amazing and just such a great guy that he was targeted pretty quickly in his return, since... I mean, how could he not win if he got to the end? Because he (and Ozzy) are so great, it would be pretty much impossible to ever win since they're such gigantic targets once those individual immunities come in.

Like I said though, I guess it's just part of the game. The only "solution" I could ever think of would be to have a season of just capable, buff folk like Joe, Ozzy, Jay, etc.
TheYanger
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(04-21-2017, 09:38 AM)
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It's not REALLY a problem though, there exists a path for those that want to do that: Win immunity. every time. Yes I agree that's silly, but that's GUARANTEED to get you to the end if you can do it, so there's no way it shouldn't be.

The reality is that Ozzy could just as easily have been working his social game differently. People know he's a beast, and that's a disadvantage, but he knows everyone except Zeke and Michaela too, the impetus is on him to socially engineer a situation in which he can thrive, instead he just turned into kind of a dick right at the end and made his argument "It's gonna suck without me"

Like, he should've spent this entire season casually setting himself up as a challenge threat but not a beast like he used to be, make people think they can take you out later. Clearly he's beatable - he just lost to Tai ffs. Make sure people realize that. In this specific instance he was more a casualty of the alliances clashing, but he also still was THE target in that case because of his reputation, and that's on him to change, he knows it just as well as everyone else does.

The only time I think someone is truly fucked by the game (Obviously there is better and worse luck all the time in Survivor though), is when there are unpredictable tribe swaps and whatnot. Like the China screwjob, or even Hali this time, she had a window to work with, but it was MINISCULE and I'm not sure what she should've done differently, it's almost impossible to socially engineer the situation when you're continually thrown to the bottom of a new one.
Double Donut
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(04-21-2017, 09:41 AM)
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His social game definitely could have been much better, especially with his whole basis of "they have to keep me, I get them food!". Such an old-school way of thinking, doesn't make the cut at all in modern Survivor, really.
llehuty
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(04-21-2017, 09:51 AM)
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Yeah, what Ozzy needed is to chill out at challenges (both before and after the merge). Maybe it wouldn't had worked for him, but I think these type of players need to do it to reduc their targets.

I mean, obviously is not the same reputation, but I think Brad is doing a decent job at throwing challenges, and I don't see anyone seeing him as a threat, despite having social ties with plenty of people.

And damn,OG Mana lost ANOTHER memeber.
RepairmanJack
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(04-21-2017, 12:30 PM)
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Yup, starting to see that by the number boring post merge come together.

I hate Debbie, but good on her realizing she wanted to get Ozzy out and carrying it out swiftly before tribal.
luchadork
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(04-21-2017, 01:13 PM)
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Ozzy should've rocked up to this season fat.
#sorrynotsorry
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(04-21-2017, 02:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Belgian Dude

And with Sierra/Debbie managing to get Ozzy out, they took a loyal member of the opposing alliance out and kept Zeke, who's volatile and no one trusts, in. Either way, someone from the other alliance goes and Sierra's now in the majority. With the exception of wasting the double vote (something that I don't blame Debbie doing because Sarah might not have voted with them/Cirie might not have wasted her vote), everything went incredibly well for the two. Zeke almost got himself out 11-1. There's no way Sierra's the moron here.

Except Ozzy was not a leader of an alliance. If they had knocked out Cirie, the alliance is dead in the water and you're on top. Ozzy could have been convinced to flip back with the guys.

Sierra took someone out on the other alliance, sure, but so what? All she did was eradicate Zeke's trust in her. So she took out an opposing alliance member and made an enemy. Instead she could have taken out the leader of an opposing alliance and made a friend. The friend would be a snake, but she knows that and the snake is there whether it's her friend or not.

Cirie or Andrea should have gone home. They had the numbers to do it. They are complete fools for voting out Ozzy who's clearly become old and is now simply good at challenges, not amazing.

Originally Posted by RepairmanJack

Yup, starting to see that by the number boring post merge come together.

I hate Debbie, but good on her realizing she wanted to get Ozzy out and carrying it out swiftly before tribal.

I don't think so at all. One alliance is clearly on top, sure. But as tired as the "game changers" moniker is, it is generally true. These players will drive a knife into someone's back to get ahead. Most of them will not fall over and let it end without a fight.
RepairmanJack
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(04-21-2017, 02:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by #sorrynotsorry

Except Ozzy was not a leader of an alliance. If they had knocked out Cirie, the alliance is dead in the water and you're on top. Ozzy could have been convinced to flip back with the guys.

Sierra took someone out on the other alliance, sure, but so what? All she did was eradicate Zeke's trust in her. So she took out an opposing alliance member and made an enemy. Instead she could have taken out the leader of an opposing alliance and made a friend. The friend would be a snake, but she knows that and the snake is there whether it's her friend or not.

Cirie or Andrea should have gone home. They had the numbers to do it. They are complete fools for voting out Ozzy who's clearly become old and is now simply good at challenges, not amazing.

I don't think so at all. One alliance is clearly on top, sure. But as tired as the "game changers" moniker is, it is generally true. These players will drive a knife into someone's back to get ahead. Most of them will not fall over and let it end without a fight.

I think you're ignoring how Sierra talked during the episode. They talked about a bit on Know It Alls, but Sierra talked through the entire episode as if there was one big alliance and there was only a couple people stuck on the outside of it. Then when Zeke goes to Sierra with a plan to get them out what does she do? She goes and talks to Cirie? Cirie was also pretty in with Sierra on the first vote and what was going down the whole time.

By Sierra's view she could see Cirie and Andrea as pretty close allies, she could also be seeing Troyzan, Brad and Ozzy as close enough to be worrisome if they got the chance to vote out the girls.

I think saying Sierra made a bad decision based off of our knowledge is a little fleeting because we are only seeing what pertains to this episode for the most part and at the start of a merge there could be a ton of alliances in the works but since all we've seen is Sierra, Brad, Debbie, Tai we could be wrongfully assuming that none of those people see any other possible allies among the field.
jstevenson
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(04-21-2017, 06:13 PM)
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I mean, it's easier to get people to rally around votes if they all percieve someone as a threat to their game

this is why this happens. end-game threats and physical threats.

combine those two (where the physical can go on a run to get to the end-game) and it becomes a mortal threat to many players.


also - returning players like this will probably believe (and realize) the game can dramatically shift. But the only thing you can't do is vote off someone with a necklace.
Grexeno
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(04-21-2017, 08:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by jstevenson

But the only thing you can't do is vote off someone with a necklace.

Unless you're Cirie.
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(04-21-2017, 10:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Grexeno

Unless you're Cirie.

Bro wasn't wearing it when he got voted out. :P
Grexeno
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(04-21-2017, 10:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by jstevenson

Bro wasn't wearing it when he got voted out. :P

Meh, technicalities.
TheYanger
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(04-21-2017, 11:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Grexeno

Unless you're Cirie.

And that's why she'll always be the true queen.
oatmeal
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(Yesterday, 07:18 AM)
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Fucking shit

Ozzy ain't ever coming back. He was the reason I watched this season.
luchadork
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(Yesterday, 07:46 AM)
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Ozzy needs to just start doing American Ninja Warrior.
llehuty
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(Yesterday, 11:26 AM)
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So, since I can't get enough of Survivor as it is, and I don't have already enough seasons backlog, I decided to watch French Survivor yesterday (just needing to lay on the sofa and turn on the TV helps). So, it's basically the same game, but it has a couple of twists that already came into play yesterday, and I like to know what do you guys think about them, and if you think they could work well in the american version.

1. If someone abandons or is medi-vac'd, it's replaced by the last contestant voted out
. This replacement will happen AFTER the next tribal council. I thought it was a bit stupid at the beginning since it's quite likely they will be voted out again, but wince they come right after tribal, they have room to scramble and will probably try to win the immunity challenge at all costs.

In this particular episode was very interesting, because they are now divided in two tribes, and the girl voted out ended up in the other tribe. While she will naturally be and easy vote, she ttally killed it in the challenge and has a nice revenge story going on not.

I think this could work very well for the production side of things (since you know for a fact how many olayers are you going to have at any given moment) and as some wrinkles to change up the game. However, apparently players are aware of a loophole, one guy yesterday threatened their tribe, saying he will quit the game after the immunity challenge if they lose, which would mean that tribe would lose 2 members and get one back from the other tribe or one voted off by them, a total overkill.

2. The losing tribe instead of going to a tribal council, went to an individual challenge were the last one was eliminated. I really liked this idea. Strong physical players are sometimes voted out out of fear of them making it to the merge, this puts them in a better position. I do think they don't do this very often (or it was maybe the first time) since the players looked surprised.

3. The teams for a team challenge will be chosen randomly and always having a female/male parity between teams.


For example, blue tribe was 4 guys and 2 girls, red tribe was 3 guys and 4 girls, so even if they are on a 6 vs 7 situation, the challenge was a 5 vs 5 randomly selected. I also like this idea, I think it could avoid this situstions were we have one tribe easily dominating all the premerge (which maybe, sometimes is fair, but boring). This can also some new strategies (voting one girl out, so that the other tribe will have one girl less in the next challenge, that could be their challenge beast).

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Some general comments:

However, there were some things that I didn't like at all. I believe all the girls were wearing make up and the guys have their hair with gel and stuff. Also, their clothes look brand new, and they are on day 20 or something. It's so jarring having them complaining of not having any food, but looking ready to do a photoshoot or something.

Which also goes to my second point, almost all of them look like supermodels. Even the token 50 year old is ripped. Not sure if it's just this season or is more common, but looks like they want everyone in good physical shape... but then you see how bad they sre at solvimg a basic puzzle in which they were shown the solution at the beginning of the challenge.

The host is good, he will let everyone speak, and have some comments on what's going on. He does seem way less annoying during challenges.

Also, it did look like the votes were pulled out randomly in the tribal council, and they end up revealing all the votes to the tribe.




Huh, the rant ended up being longer than I expected... so, what do you guys think? Anyone following this? Any other versions of the show that you know about, with different twists?

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