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LordOfLore
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(03-12-2017, 10:26 AM)
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A list of all currently discovered changes, bugs, crashes and other weird stuff in the remaster port by popular speedrunner and streamer Bizkit:

KH 2.5

-Loads are nearly non-existent, couldn't have asked for better loading situation, it destroys any version of KH2 in loads.
-Game is not very stable. I crashed in 1 playthrough trying to save, Ninten crashed after a fight, someone else I forget also crashed too. It seems far less stable than PS3 2.5 JP so far (not English PS3 tho prob?)
-60FPS is nice, physics are mostly intact, but some side effects are here and there that are very annoying
-Grim Reaper 2 has weird shit going on with his RC on the chest when you have medallions, it kept cancelling on me, didn't test it further (yet)
-Sounds are still missing and such. Only Xigbar's DM seems fixed
-Was having trouble with the Roxas strat, sometimes Roxas doesn't get launched high and recovers before you can keep the combo going. Don't recall this in original 2FM/2.5 PS3
-Could not get Xemnas 1 to crash with Limit Form, same as 2.5 PS3. Needs testing when English 2.5 comes out
-Duck Flare is back to normal in JP, needs testing when English 2.5 comes out
-Could not get Experiment crash to work, every attack during RC was going through me, will test more to see if actually fixed (doubt it)
-Terra is unchanged, however, you can't just single Guard his punch anymore, you get pushed into it due to prob 60fps physics, so you have to double Guard probably
-Terra's key whip start also has a weird graphic that shows now
-Assault Riders don't jump as far now (prob physics problem)
-Only cutscene that seems 60fps is Final Xemnas beatdown, prob cuz part of fight?
-Trinity seems slightly better, maybe due to 60fps, did 328 hits easily on LoD2 fight
-No soft reset still (srsly?)

UPDATES:
-A bunch of people are save crashing now, this is an extremely bad crash to get, you're forced to save often to avoid losing tons of progress
-Vexen Data is fucked now. Anti Sora spawns immediately due to the Data bar getting filled too fast and during the opening scene.
-Something is apparently up with Blizzaga finishers on Axel Data where his RV gets hit now (likely a 60fps effect)
-At PAX, Dean was able to test if Xemnas 1 still crashes in their 2.5 demo. It still exists, but the crash once again does not exist on JP 2.5 PS4
-Forgot this, but yes Final Xemnas RC still drops, just as bad if not worse than PS3
UPDATES (3/10/17):
-Data Org is super fucked (sorta), at least 4 speedrun strats do not work at all anymore
-Axel you cannot Blizzaga finisher him past Revenge Value anymore, he goes into wall...physics problem prob
-Saix corner loop does not work anymore, Explosion does not send him far enough away, so he hits you
-Xemnas 1 Reflega + Slapshot + Reflega + Explosion does not work consistently anymore, Xemnas falls out of Explosion
-Vexen cannot be DM skipped now, due to Anti Sora garbage, his data bar maxes to 5 in like 10s or less of being on you, super fail
-Experiment crash confirmed still exists (though remember, it's in all versions of KH2)

KH 1.5

-Load times still much faster than PS3 version, though not nearly as fast as PS4 2.5.
-Small movement tricks are no longer possible (such as dodge rolling over certain things)
-Infinite Roll Glitch doesn't exist anymore (likely due to 60fps messing with Dodge Roll)
-The Riku Ansem loop has a different timing now, Sora recovers too fast from ground finisher to do it the normal way
-Sound effects are utter garbage now. Finishers sound like smacking someone with paper most of the time, and many sounds don't even play, such as enemy deaths, or Sephiroth hitting you with his Sword
-EXP 0 damage store still intact, fortunately
-Simba Crash still exists
-According to Mist, 100 Acre Woods is a bit messed up now in certain ways idk about yet
-Sephiroth's meteor is now insanely fast due to fps problem
-Sephiroth's Octaslash is screwed up, he doesn't go as far and basically gets stuck on you

Much like with the FFX/X-2 remaster port SE needs to patch as much of this as they can. This is supposed to be the definitive version of the games. Since they patched 2.8 at least we can have hope for fixes to the crashes.

Send me to the Underworld if old.
Last edited by LordOfLore; 03-12-2017 at 10:42 AM.
Inuhanyou
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(03-12-2017, 10:29 AM)
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Considering how i was hoping this was the definitive release of these games, it seems they didn't fix a lot of issues from the PS3 versions and made new ones on top :/ This is what we get for SE farming out ports for pennies

I most annoyed that xemnas final battle still has the reaction command broken
Napalm_Frank
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(03-12-2017, 10:30 AM)
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Well, they won't lol.
Kinsei
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(03-12-2017, 10:30 AM)
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I was really hoping they would improve the HD ports, not somehow make them worse.
LordKano
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(03-12-2017, 10:30 AM)
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Oh boy, this sounds terrible. Another unfinished job from Square ?
Lightning
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(03-12-2017, 10:33 AM)
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Of all that only the save glitching and the crashes need fixing. I couldn't give 2 fucks about bizkits strats no longer working properly.
Napalm_Frank
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(03-12-2017, 10:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lightning

Of all that only the save glitching and the crashes need fixing. I couldn't give 2 fucks about bizkits strats no longer working properly.

I will agree that on many of these cases casual players won't know any better. Even stuff like Meteor speed seems to be completely manageable at the edges, it's just a faster rythm now.

The save crash is by far the most alarming thing depending how often it happens.
Cincaid
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(03-12-2017, 10:36 AM)
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I don't understand, but most of these 'issues' barely sound like an issue at all? Or am I missing something?
LAA
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(03-12-2017, 10:36 AM)
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Uff this sounds bad...
Could be the worst polished KH from the sounds of it. I don't know why they wouldn't rather delay it a little, especially in this very packed time frame.

Fingers crossed for an update to fix most if not all of this, but they didn't bother with the PS3 version of 2.5, though as it was late in the PS3 era, (or was PS4 actually around at this point?), probably didn't feel it was worth fixing for a decreasing userbase, so maybe a better chance for PS4 ports.
Mr Swine
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(03-12-2017, 10:37 AM)
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Did they ever patch that WoFF blurry IQ issue? If not then I hope they patch these problems at least
Suburban Thug
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(03-12-2017, 10:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cincaid

I don't understand, but most of these 'issues' barely sound like an issue at all? Or am I missing something?

You think save crashing isn't an issue?
Napalm_Frank
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(03-12-2017, 10:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cincaid

I don't understand, but most of these 'issues' barely sound like an issue at all? Or am I missing something?

It's annoying if you are used to fighting some of the bosses in the hardest mode possible (level 1 run) and need to come up with new ways to deal with the problems.
LordOfLore
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(03-12-2017, 10:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by Mr Swine

Did they ever patch that WoFF blurry IQ issue? If not then I hope they patch these problems at least

Yes. Was fixed in the patch with the free Sora DLC.
Rhiwion
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(03-12-2017, 10:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lightning

Of all that only the save glitching and the crashes need fixing. I couldn't give 2 fucks about bizkits strats no longer working properly.

This is where I'm at as well. Save crashing and various other issues are pretty severe, but the amount of speedruner issues on this list makes it look like more of a problem than it actually is for the average KH fan.

Edit: Or for potential newcomers, if someone actually realizes that they *now* finally want to get into the series haha
Cincaid
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(03-12-2017, 10:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by Suburban Thug

You think save crashing isn't an issue?

Of course it is, but did the poster need a Pastebin of all these non-issues to expose that? If anything it's just confusing idiots like me from seeing the real issues if you wrap it inside a bunch of non-issues.

And "a bunch of people are experiencing this" is not really how bug reporting works.
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Kain
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(03-12-2017, 10:40 AM)
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I see a couple of big issues (save crashing and sound effects missing) and a lot of crying because old glitches for speedrunning doesn't seem to work anymore. Em, that sounds completely normal for a game nowadays and the big ones will probably be fixed with a day one, day two patch like most games.
Jucksalbe
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(03-12-2017, 10:42 AM)
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So save crashes are only in 2.5? That gives me some time to wait for the patch, since I'll start with KH1.
Kinsei
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(03-12-2017, 10:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lightning

Of all that only the save glitching and the crashes need fixing. I couldn't give 2 fucks about bizkits strats no longer working properly.

What about a boss fight mechanic straight up not working (the reaction commands during final Xemnas)?
Banana Aeon
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(03-12-2017, 10:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kinsei

What about a boss fight mechanic straight up not working (the reaction commands during final Xemnas)?

The game mechanics don't have to actually work as they should and everything. Why would you even expect that?
WhoaIsThatMars
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(03-12-2017, 10:45 AM)
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oh no! Some glitches for speedrunning no longer work or result in other glitches...whatever will I do as a non-speedrunner? (sarcasm)
AwakenedCloud
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(03-12-2017, 10:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by Suburban Thug

You think save crashing isn't an issue?

Hence, him saying 'most'. The save issues need to be addressed ASAP, but many of the other points listed don't actually seem like actual problems, at least not of the precedent implied by the thread title.
LAA
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(03-12-2017, 10:49 AM)
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I don't think the issues are all speed run issues really though, some may be which I admit too I don't really care for but must suck for speedrunners.
But issues like Xemnas RC drop (I guess he means frame rate drop), that should have been fixed since the PS3 version.
You can't single block terras punch, so sounds like timing has been messed up boosting to 60fps.

I fear a bunch of issues have remained since the PS3 version and more issues are going to be caused from boosting to 60fps and looks like not enough testing has been done to fix these.
Zalman
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(03-12-2017, 10:49 AM)
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I hope they fix these, but honestly, I doubt I'll notice most of it.
Kinsei
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(03-12-2017, 10:50 AM)
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Originally Posted by WhoaIsThatMars

oh no! Some glitches for speedrunning no longer work or result in other glitches...whatever will I do as a non-speedrunner? (sarcasm)

Crashing when you try to save and boss fight mechanics that don't work aren't a big deal. Okay.
Rhiwion
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(03-12-2017, 10:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kinsei

Crashing when you try to save and boss fight mechanics that don't work aren't a big deal. Okay.

Give it a rest. No one here is actually defending the save crashing stuff.
Heartfyre
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(03-12-2017, 10:54 AM)
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I mean, fixing the exploits for some of the Data battles would probably be seen by S-E to be a feature rather than a bug.

Real shame about the crashes and the careless 60FPS implementations, though. At least they fixed the PS4-specific FFX issues when that happened, so there's some hope they'll work out a patch on this release too.

At least the loading times are way better.
Lightning
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(03-12-2017, 10:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kinsei

What about a boss fight mechanic straight up not working (the reaction commands during final Xemnas)?

That is more of an inconvenience and annoyance rather than being game changing. I agree it would be better if that were fixed but is neither here nor there I don't really care about it.

Bizkit is picking and choosing which bugs he wants and which ones he doesn't based on his strats. That shit I don't care for and neither will S-E. Most of the crap bizkit moaned about won't effect hardly anyone.
WhoaIsThatMars
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(03-12-2017, 10:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kinsei

Crashing when you try to save and boss fight mechanics that don't work aren't a big deal. Okay.

read what I wrote again
Kinsei
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(03-12-2017, 10:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by WhoaIsThatMars

read what I wrote again

What you wrote made it sound like you were writing off the entire list.
Azerare
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(03-12-2017, 11:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kinsei

What you wrote made it sound like you were writing off the entire list.

They're saying that speed run boss methods being broken aren't a big deal. I'd agree with them on that.
BHK3
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(03-12-2017, 11:06 AM)
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God knows what could be wrong with CoM and BBS then since no one runs those.

Crashing and audio is what I care about most, mechanics acting differently isn't too bad but I just want everything to be as close to the original as possible.
Rob2K19
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(03-12-2017, 12:56 PM)
B-But you got your 60 FPS KH.

Originally Posted by Inuhanyou

Considering how i was hoping this was the definitive release of these games, it seems they didn't fix a lot of issues from the PS3 versions and made new ones on top :/ This is what we get for SE farming out ports for pennies

I most annoyed that xemnas final battle still has the reaction command broken

Lol
Tsunamo
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(03-12-2017, 01:01 PM)
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It's a real shame about all the bugs because the 60fps is great.

Will be interesting to see if the English version has some stuff fixed/not present that are in the JP version.
Goron2000
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(03-12-2017, 01:01 PM)
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In the age of day 1 patches, trying to deduce anything from this list is pointless until the game is out. Don't preorder and wait to see what they fix.
Delaney
(03-12-2017, 01:03 PM)
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They released a 5GB day one patch today, some of these issues might already be fixed.
Guymelef
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(03-12-2017, 01:03 PM)
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Seems like 99% of the users will not notice majority of these issues.
brawly
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(03-12-2017, 01:08 PM)
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I thought this was about downsampling. What about downsampling.
mcmmaster
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-Terra is unchanged, however, you can't just single Guard his punch anymore, you get pushed into it due to prob 60fps physics, so you have to double Guard probably

Yep noticed this several times when i used the 60FPS mod for KH2FM in PCSX2.

A shame they've overlooked this physics glitch in their official 60FPS release.
Burbeting
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(03-12-2017, 03:59 PM)
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Most bothering are the crashes, final xemnas battle being straight out broken (the broken reaction commands could result in a game over without any chance for the player to intervene if they are out of MP), and Data Vexen being broken (on critical mode he is pretty damn impossible to beat when data Sora is out). Other problems seem pretty minor, and not affecting regular player.
Inuhanyou
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(03-12-2017, 09:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Delaney

They released a 5GB day one patch today, some of these issues might already be fixed.

:( 5GB patch for a damn REMASTER
Son Of D
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(03-13-2017, 12:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by Inuhanyou

:( 5GB patch for a damn REMASTER

To be fair it is 4 games.

Although what the fuck was wrong to warrant 5GB?
Napalm_Frank
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(03-13-2017, 12:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Son Of D

To be fair it is 4 games.

Although what the fuck was wrong to warrant 5GB?

It's a secret KH3 demo you unlock by platinuming Re:CoM
Living the Dream
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(03-13-2017, 02:18 AM)
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How are y'all playing this? It's not even released yet
McMoneyman
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(03-13-2017, 02:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Living the Dream

How are y'all playing this? It's not even released yet

Came out in Japan last week.
JayEH
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(03-13-2017, 02:20 AM)
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The ps5 release will fix this guys don't worry.
ZeoVGM
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(03-13-2017, 02:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Living the Dream

How are y'all playing this? It's not even released yet

It is in Japan.
Seven Force
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(03-13-2017, 02:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by BHK3

God knows what could be wrong with CoM and BBS then since no one runs those.

Crashing and audio is what I care about most, mechanics acting differently isn't too bad but I just want everything to be as close to the original as possible.

Apparently the Keyblade Graveyard Tornados in BBS are kinda fucked and near unavoidable in some instances.

Sounds like they boosted the framerate without regard to how it'd affect the attack animations and physics.
duckroll
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(03-13-2017, 02:34 AM)
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I hope they patch the crash issues because they sound really bad. But I think these collections were always going to be a problem because a) they have a bunch of games in them and the games are complicated and come from different platforms. b) they aren't outsourced to a remaster specialist and is instead developed in-house at S-E Osaka. c) the same developers are also being stretched super thin working on KH3 at the same time. It's a really unfortunate situation all round.
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Originally Posted by duckroll

I hope they patch the crash issues because they sound really bad. But I think these collections were always going to be a problem because a) they have a bunch of games in them and the games are complicated and come from different platforms. b) they aren't outsourced to a remaster specialist and is instead developed in-house at S-E Osaka. c) the same developers are also being stretched super thin working on KH3 at the same time. It's a really unfortunate situation all round.

Also some games built for 30fps that have physics tied to programming maybe shouldn't be 60fps after all.
Byvar
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(03-13-2017, 03:23 AM)
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That list was made during playthroughs with the day-one patch already installed, so apparently it doesn't fix anything on the list.

Personally I hope that they fix the crashes (especially the save crash), the missing sound effects (this annoyed me greatly in 2.5 and now 1.5 has it too? Ugh) and the final Xemnas RC glitch. Maybe KH2 Vexen and KH1 Sephiroth too. The rest sounds like minor annoyances for casual players and not worth ditching 60fps over as some KH fans are suggesting. I'm not saying they shouldn't fix those, but I think the ones I listed are probably the most prominent problems. I'd happily wait an extra month for KH3 if that time allowed the developers to fix all that (they likely wouldn't even need more than a few days).
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