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faridmon
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(03-20-2017, 12:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sir_Crocodile

The many, many, shock arrows in every tree nearby.

Originally Posted by random25

I think the old man even said to just collect 20 shock arrows.

Originally Posted by tolkir

Because nobody says you: "Defeat it and something good will happen". Even one Zora only asks for a picture, nothing more.

I know he says only collect arrows. Now the moment I went there, the fact that the ''boss'' is there, I thought I had to defeat him in order to get these 20 shock arrows.

After countless death did I see that there are arrows just lying about, and kicked my self for repeating that fight.

The game does not make it clear.
ogbg
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(03-20-2017, 12:31 PM)
They're lots of fun to fight but I don't feel like there's that much intelligence involved. They have a couple of movesets which they randomly cycle through depending on distance to the character.
carlsojo
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(03-20-2017, 12:32 PM)
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The game doesn't make it clear at all that you don't have to kill him and that's just fine. Figure that shit out for yourself.

I was more irritated that his loot sucks.
KHlover
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(03-20-2017, 12:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cerium

I have Stasis+. I'm telling you it did not work.

Then you did something wrong, you can use Stasis+ on just about every single enemy in the game that you can lock on to (doesn't work on aggressive wildlive like wolves, coyotes, bears etc), up to and including the major bosses. There's a couple enemies like Hinox or Moldora I've not tried yet, but from several hours of grinding Silver Lynels for Star Pieces I can 100% confirm to you that Stasis+ works on them. If you do not attack while they are frozen their attack is just delayed, but if you're fast enough to get a few hits in they stagger.
YianGaruga
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(03-20-2017, 12:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by carlsojo

I was more irritated that his loot sucks.

The Lynel bows are incredibly strong. You can get ones which fire 5 arrows at the same time while only consuming one.

I also have a Savage Lynel Club with like 110 attack rating
Last edited by YianGaruga; 03-20-2017 at 12:39 PM.
Steejee
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(03-20-2017, 12:35 PM)
Just beat my first last night (after 40 hours of gametime). I had previously died twice to two others and decided it was time to take on a Red one. I came out the victor, but he made me pay for that win. Definitely an awesome enemy and another item you can add to the 'Why BotW is amazing' bullet points.
ogbg
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(03-20-2017, 12:35 PM)

Originally Posted by YianGaruga

The Lynel bows are incredibly strong. You can get ones which fire 5 arrows at the same time while only consuming one.

I alkso have a Savage Lynel Club with like 110 attack rating

You also need their body parts for something else
UncleSporky
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(03-20-2017, 12:36 PM)

Originally Posted by Feep

Lynels have some cool elements about them, but "doesn't aggro until you draw your weapon" doesn't qualify as some kind of amazing AI.

Not that the Last Guardian doesn't have serious issues, but an AI study of Trico is going to yield far more impressive results.

Originally Posted by YianGaruga

They're fun to fight but it's really not great "AI". They have pretty simple behaviour and attack patterns mostly based on your distance

The best AI isn't the same thing as "hardest to program," "most complex," or "most difficult to fight."

The best AI is the one that makes you briefly feel like you're possibly interacting with something beyond a computer subroutine, something with some personality.

To have an enemy that stands in such stark contrast to the rest of the game, one that just stares you down, you draw your weapon and it does the same, sometimes firing at you behind cover or charging at you...it was designed in a really smart way. So many people in this thread are talking about them in ways reserved for real people or characters. They seem cautious, curious, alert, intimidating. Intelligent.
Mihos
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(03-20-2017, 12:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cerium

Mind blown.

edit: You lied. Just tired it on the one in the Gerudo Highlands and it didn't work.

Stasis worked for me just fine. I just stay close and circle them until there is an openeing. If he gets distant for a charge just stasis and repeat. You can pretty much just circle until stasis ready over and over
YianGaruga
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(03-20-2017, 12:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by UncleSporky

The best AI isn't the same thing as "hardest to program," "most complex," or "most difficult to fight."

The best AI is the one that makes you briefly feel like you're possibly interacting with something beyond a computer subroutine, something with some personality.

To have an enemy that stands in such stark contrast to the rest of the game, one that just stares you down, you draw your weapon and it does the same, sometimes firing at you behind cover or charging at you...it was designed in a really smart way. So many people in this thread are talking about them in ways reserved for real people or characters. They seem cautious, curious, alert, intimidating. Intelligent.

I know, but it never felt that way to me. Every encounter with them was 100% formulaic, especially after they aggro'd.

You can design completely scripted encounters which make you feel like you described, whithout any "AI" at all.
Last edited by YianGaruga; 03-20-2017 at 12:41 PM.
Mr. Virus
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(03-20-2017, 12:40 PM)

Originally Posted by faridmon

I know he says only collect arrows. Now the moment I went there, the fact that the ''boss'' is there, I thought I had to defeat him in order to get these 20 shock arrows.

After countless death did I see that there are arrows just lying about, and kicked my self for repeating that fight.

The game does not make it clear.

I tried killing him a few times (got real close one) and kept getting caught when sneaking about, then saw that there were silent shrooms in the area and nearly slapped myself. Stealth pots made it a breeze.
psychowave
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(03-20-2017, 12:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Benzychenz

It's amazing that so many people had trouble with this.

It's a stealth mission.

I feel like people (myself included) don't realize it's a stealth mission because they're not explicitly told it is. Not a flaw with them or the game, just a product of what modern games are like. There's a lot of things like that in BoTW.
ogbg
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(03-20-2017, 12:44 PM)

Originally Posted by psychowave

I feel like people (myself included) don't realize it's a stealth mission because they're not explicitly told it is. Not a flaw with them or the game, just a product of what modern games are like. There's a lot of things like that in BoTW.

It's not a stealth mission. It's an arrow collecting mission. Doesn't matter how you get them.
Ridley327
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(03-20-2017, 12:46 PM)
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Lynels are awesome and it's really cool that the silver variant makes for a different fight than its predecessors with its different move pool. Hopefully, whatever DLC that they're working on adds at least one new enemy to the game that gets as much care put into it. For instance, I sure would love to see BotW's take on Darknuts.
Chaos17
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(03-20-2017, 12:48 PM)
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Never do long range battle with a lynel... I died 3 times while trying to run away once, lol
Jolkien
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(03-20-2017, 12:49 PM)
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Fought the red , blueish one and so far the AI is breaking when you spin around with an axe around them they barely react you just spin around them (with 3 stamina bar) they go down in no time and don't put much of a fight.
StaticJam
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(03-20-2017, 12:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by butzopower

Maybe I got to Zora's Domain way too early (think I had 5 hearts), but these dudes rocked me hard that I just bought 20 shock arrows in Guerodo Town.

Originally Posted by Benzychenz

It's amazing that so many people had trouble with this.

It's a stealth mission.

Originally Posted by kirbyfan407

This makes me realize I'm terrible at combat in this game. Time to git gud...



I thought it was obvious it was a stealth mission, given how much they warn you about Lynels and how powerful they look compared to your average Bokoblin or Moblin. The first time I reached the area, the Lynel spotted me the second I arrived and then did a 1-shot kill with a raining arrow as I hid behind a rock. That's when I knew Lynels were serious business and even scarier than I thought. When I respawned, I thankfully wasn't bothered once and was able to get everything without trouble, but my heart was pounding like crazy until I escaped and successfully moved onto the next part of the quest.

Huh that explains a lot of it being a stealth mission. I ended up just cheesing the dude with Stasis+ and Arrow headshots in the end.
Fandangox
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(03-20-2017, 12:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cerium

Mind blown.

edit: You lied. Just tired it on the one in the Gerudo Highlands and it didn't work.

Did you upgrade stasis? It won't work otherwise. And if so you have to hit them while they are frozen to interrupt their action.
TheMink
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(03-20-2017, 12:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by YianGaruga

I know, but it never felt that way to me. Every encounter with them was 100% formulaic, especially after they aggro'd.

You can design completely scripted encounters which make you feel like you described, whithout any "AI" at all.

I agree, in fact I pretty much consistently manipulate certain desired attacks. For the most consistent fight for the sword lynel I parry his basic swipe attack muliple times until he decides to do a different attack I stasis immediately and make sure I get a hit during stasis and then it puts him exactly back to the state of his basic swinging attack.

And I just casually farm him.

I think someone who was really trying to figure him out could get it even more consistent.
ogbg
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(03-20-2017, 12:53 PM)

Originally Posted by Fandangox

Did you upgrade stasis? It won't work otherwise. And if so you have to hit them while they are frozen to interrupt their action.

No you don't. You can headshot them without statis to stagger them and then mount them. When they just wind up or just wind down their fire attack is a good time.
Thud
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(03-20-2017, 12:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by nubbe

There are shock arrows on the trees and ground, so you're supposed to get your ass kicked and instead sneak around and collect the arrows in the area.

Collect arrows
Save
Go back and kill the Lynel
Collect more arrows
User33
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(03-20-2017, 12:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cerium

Mind blown.

edit: You lied. Just tired it on the one in the Gerudo Highlands and it didn't work.

You're doing something wrong, because Statis+ definitely works on Lynels.
RRockman
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(03-20-2017, 12:55 PM)
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They have feints. Learned that the hard way.
Sir_Crocodile
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(03-20-2017, 12:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ridley327

Lynels are awesome and it's really cool that the silver variant makes for a different fight than its predecessors with its different move pool. Hopefully, whatever DLC that they're working on adds at least one new enemy to the game that gets as much care put into it. For instance, I sure would love to see BotW's take on Darknuts.

I want to see Ironknuckles or the jumping blue fokkas.
Supermanisdead
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(03-20-2017, 01:00 PM)
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I've marked all the lynels on the map that I've found. 7 now, and I just clear them out, wait for a blood moon and then do it again. They are so fun to fight and help me upgrade the best armor in the game.

I got a x5 bow from one of them and I just use it to mash bomb arrows in slow motion. The timing for their flurry rush is really simple as well. Not that tough of an enemy, just don't get overwhelmed.
Majukun
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(03-20-2017, 01:01 PM)
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didn't find it that amazing to be honest..but lso i never travel without a weapon..so maybe i have always made them angry
TheMink
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(03-20-2017, 01:02 PM)
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I actually think that bokoblins have more varied fights during combat.

It's still just reading variables but there are a lot of them. Knocking weapons out of their hands will make them furiously try to find them and if you take that weapon they have a temper tantrum at you hahaha.
Zocano
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(03-20-2017, 01:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by YianGaruga

I know, but it never felt that way to me. Every encounter with them was 100% formulaic, especially after they aggro'd.

You can design completely scripted encounters which make you feel like you described, whithout any "AI" at all.

Pretty much my opinion on them as well. They very clearly require the most skill to take down consistently and without constant game overs but they still only have a limited number of moves which most end up being exploitable. They don't feel like they change routine or anything, they just feel like they cycle through movesets.
RK9039
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(03-20-2017, 01:04 PM)
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Beat three already, it's so fun fighting them.
Adam Tyner
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(03-20-2017, 01:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by UncleSporky

The spear ones never attack at close range and almost feel like a totally different fight.

How to make all Lynel fights the same (even the whites/silvers):

1) Stasis+
2) While he's frozen, hit him in the head with an arrow
3) While he's stunned, mount him and wail away with whatever weapon you have
4) Repeat.

It goes even faster if you have barbarian armor and any sort of attack upgrade (I use the recipe that calls for 5 Mighty Bananas just because I have tons of 'em).

I was hunting Lynels for barbarian armor upgrades and made it through a couple without even getting hit.
tebunker
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(03-20-2017, 01:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by ogbg

It's not a stealth mission. It's an arrow collecting mission. Doesn't matter how you get them.

You can literally travel to another town and buy 20 lightning arrows to advance the mission. The suggestion by the quest is to expose the player to a lynel.

I beat that one use a bow and strafing around on top of the rocks. I cheesed it.

Then, just recently I realized you need to go in shield up and stay close. I have beaten a couple this way. Its still a wat of attrition but not nearly as harrowing as an arrow duel or trying to stay back.
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(03-20-2017, 01:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner

How to make all Lynel fights the same (even the whites/silvers):

1) Stasis+
2) While he's frozen, hit him in the head with an arrow
3) While he's stunned, mount him and wail away with whatever weapon you have
4) Repeat.

It goes even faster if you have barbarian armor and any sort of attack upgrade (I use the recipe that calls for 5 Mighty Bananas just because I have tons of 'em).

I was hunting Lynels for barbarian armor upgrades and made it through a couple without even getting hit.

this is boring, fight like a man!
Tekkie
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(03-20-2017, 01:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner

How to make all Lynel fights the same (even the whites/silvers):

1) Stasis+
2) While he's frozen, hit him in the head with an arrow
3) While he's stunned, mount him and wail away with whatever weapon you have
4) Repeat.

It goes even faster if you have barbarian armor and any sort of attack upgrade (I use the recipe that calls for 5 Mighty Bananas just because I have tons of 'em).

I was hunting Lynels for barbarian armor upgrades and made it through a couple without even getting hit.

I just time my back flip or my side hop and unload during the slow-mo. Also if it uses fire arrows I float up using the updraft and slow-mo arrow it on the head to stun it for a while and unload again.
Thud
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(03-20-2017, 01:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by tebunker

You can literally travel to another town and buy 20 lightning arrows to advance the mission. The suggestion by the quest is to expose the player to a lynel.

I beat that one use a bow and strafing around on top of the rocks. I cheesed it.

Then, just recently I realized you need to go in shield up and stay close. I have beaten a couple this way. Its still a wat of attrition but not nearly as harrowing as an arrow duel or trying to stay back.

Don't break your shield. Parry and flurry rush...
jokkir
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(03-20-2017, 01:15 PM)
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I'm 80% sure that a person in (small spoils) Zora tells you about the scary Lynel up on the hill and to explicitly just collect the arrows. Like the person who gives you the quest says it.

I was just speeding through Zora and I even got the message that it wasn't a place to fight it.
ogbg
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(03-20-2017, 01:15 PM)

Originally Posted by tebunker

You can literally travel to another town and buy 20 lightning arrows to advance the mission. The suggestion by the quest is to expose the player to a lynel.

Yeah that's fine. Since I had already explored the jungle and fishing village before finding Zora's domain I had shock arrows and I had seen a Lynel so there was no need. The point is it's neither a stealth mission nor a combat mission.
hoserx
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(03-20-2017, 01:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by ogbg

Yeah that's fine. Since I had already explored the jungle and fishing village before finding Zora's domain I had shock arrows and I had seen a Lynel so there was no need. The point is it's neither a stealth mission nor a combat mission.

Yes, it's a Breath of the Wild mission, which means you can go about it via numerous plans of action.
playingwithfire
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(03-20-2017, 01:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner

How to make all Lynel fights the same (even the whites/silvers):

1) Stasis+
2) While he's frozen, hit him in the head with an arrow
3) While he's stunned, mount him and wail away with whatever weapon you have
4) Repeat.

It goes even faster if you have barbarian armor and any sort of attack upgrade (I use the recipe that calls for 5 Mighty Bananas just because I have tons of 'em).

I was hunting Lynels for barbarian armor upgrades and made it through a couple without even getting hit.

Wait... you can mount them??
carlsojo
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(03-20-2017, 01:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by YianGaruga

The Lynel bows are incredibly strong. You can get ones which fire 5 arrows at the same time while only consuming one.

I also have a Savage Lynel Club with like 110 attack rating

It's not a reward if it fucking breaks.

Edit: Especially if I broke 3-4 weapons already killing the stupid thing.
Last edited by carlsojo; 03-20-2017 at 01:26 PM.
ogbg
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(03-20-2017, 01:23 PM)

Originally Posted by carlsojo

It's not a reward if it fucking breaks.

The reward for figuring out the Lynel is that you can farm them
faridmon
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(03-20-2017, 01:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Virus

I tried killing him a few times (got real close one) and kept getting caught when sneaking about, then saw that there were silent shrooms in the area and nearly slapped myself. Stealth pots made it a breeze.

Goddamn it, Why didn't I think of that.

Needless to say that mission was just pain in the ass
tesqui
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(03-20-2017, 01:27 PM)
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Honestly didn't even realize this enemy type was in other Zelda games. It appears this is the first 3D Zelda they've been in though.
Twookie
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(03-20-2017, 01:28 PM)
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Lynels are awesome. I was so scared of them (still am, kinda) until I figured out how to beat them.


Originally Posted by jokkir

I'm 80% sure that a person in (small spoils) Zora tells you about the scary Lynel up on the hill and to explicitly just collect the arrows. Like the person who gives you the quest says it.

I was just speeding through Zora and I even got the message that it wasn't a place to fight it.

can confirm
phanphare
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(03-20-2017, 01:29 PM)
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lynels and octorocks are crazy accurate with their projectiles
StaticJam
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(03-20-2017, 01:29 PM)
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The best part about the Zora lynel was later after beating waterblight Gannon I was wondering why the latter seemed like a cake walk.
Nosgoroth
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(03-20-2017, 01:29 PM)
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...What. But... I killed that Lynel. Had to boost hearts and def, and it took three attempts, but I did it. Nobody told me not to, and I didn't know what a Lynel was going in, so I thought it was just a monster to defeat.
sir_bumble_bee
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(03-20-2017, 01:30 PM)
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So satisfying taking them down. If you can take Lynels down consistently, you've probably mastered the dodge and shield parry timing. I can take down guardians with ease now as well.
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Originally Posted by psychowave

I feel like people (myself included) don't realize it's a stealth mission because they're not explicitly told it is. Not a flaw with them or the game, just a product of what modern games are like. There's a lot of things like that in BoTW.

Funny, because I got it the very first time. I think I was even told not to engage, might be wrong there though.
UncleSporky
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(03-20-2017, 01:31 PM)

Originally Posted by carlsojo

It's not a reward if it fucking breaks.

Edit: Especially if I broke 3-4 weapons already killing the stupid thing.

The reward is the horns, hooves and guts used to permanently upgrade your non-breakable armor, especially one particular awesome set.
Holy Order Sol
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(03-20-2017, 01:36 PM)

Originally Posted by faridmon

I know he says only collect arrows. Now the moment I went there, the fact that the ''boss'' is there, I thought I had to defeat him in order to get these 20 shock arrows.

After countless death did I see that there are arrows just lying about, and kicked my self for repeating that fight.

The game does not make it clear.

The game is clear, you misunderstood.

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