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McStickenstein
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(04-18-2017, 03:08 PM)
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As a RX 480 owner I didn't expect much from the 5XX series, but I'm still a little disappointed.

Waiting for VEGA's reveal in a month or so. That should be a substantial upgrade from a 480, but I'm hoping it'll compete with NVIDIA on either performance or performance/$.

Originally Posted by CrustyBritches

These seem to have more headroom than RX 480. Majority of RX 480's, mine included, max at 1390MHz core/2250MHz mem for a Firestrike graphics score of 13k. Guru3d got a 14k Firestrike graphics score at 1411MHz boost and managed a 1475MHz OC, but didn't list regular Firestrike graphics score.

Pretty much a refresh with 6% more OC headroom.

Is it OC headroom or better cooler???

Like Caayn said... there is no reference RX 580... Guru3D can be using a RX 580 with a better cooler than reference RX 480.
Delusibeta
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(04-18-2017, 03:11 PM)
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I'm disappointed, I expected clear daylight between the RX 580 and the Geforce 1060. What we got was an overclocked 480.

It also sinks the "driver improvements make the 480 clearly better than the 1060" narrative.
Kyne
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(04-18-2017, 03:14 PM)
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mhm.. how does this compare to a 290X? Trying to decide if upgrading my side-rig is worth it.

Originally Posted by Delusibeta

It also sinks the "driver improvements make the 480 clearly better than the 1060" narrative.

I just read the AnandTech results with the last drivers and RX 580 looks to perform close but still behind 1060FE in most games (I just saw 2 where RX 580 performed better)... and most difference compared with RX 480 looks to be due high clocks only.

The driver improvements is something that happens to the opposite party too.
bomblord1
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(04-18-2017, 03:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Marmelade

Hold off?
The 580 is available
You should definitely choose it over a 480 (if the price is around the same obviously)

Hold off as in redo the build to include the 580 instead of purchasing the 480 today. Anyway I don't see why he should choose it when we were already going for a factory overclocked 480.
lucebuce12
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(04-18-2017, 03:19 PM)
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I'm planning on upgrading my card but I'd like just a tad bit of future proofing this time, I'm getting a bit tired of going for the card that's mid-range at best when I buy it.

Most likely gonna be upgrading in September or October so I'm guessing wait for Vega or Nvidia's answer to Vega is the right call? Budget's gonna be around 400$.
Tenacious-D
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(04-18-2017, 03:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wonder Peter

Same, and sincerely I'm becoming tired of waiting for VEGA. I just want to upgrade my old 7870 with something that will last longer than this 580

I know that feeling. Just watch them release big VEGA at the end of May and hold baby VEGA until Q3.
LilJoka
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(04-18-2017, 03:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrustyBritches

These seem to have more headroom than RX 480. Majority of RX 480's, mine included, max at 1390MHz core/2250MHz mem for a Firestrike graphics score of 13k. Guru3d got a 14k Firestrike graphics score at 1411MHz boost and managed a 1475MHz OC, but didn't list regular Firestrike graphics score.

Pretty much a refresh with 6% more OC headroom.

Where is the progress, for £270 i got a GTX 970 that gets 14k Graphics score in Firestrike, that was October 2014. Its overclocked, but still...

MontyBrown
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(04-18-2017, 03:24 PM)
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GPU upgrades are so boring these days. Small improvements each time.

Or big improvements which are £100s overpriced.

Originally Posted by McStickenstein

Waiting for VEGA's reveal in a month or so. That should be a substantial upgrade from a 480, but I'm hoping it'll compete with NVIDIA on either performance or performance/$.

Originally Posted by Tenacious-D

I know that feeling. Just watch them release big VEGA at the end of May and hold baby VEGA until Q3.

I remember when Vega was suppose to launch together with Polaris... one being the low/mid-end product and the other the high-end product.

That is over a year after delays and delays.
Marmelade
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(04-18-2017, 03:26 PM)

Originally Posted by bomblord1

Hold off as in redo the build to include the 580 instead of purchasing the 480 today. Anyway I don't see why he should choose it when we were already going for a factory overclocked 480.

All RX 580 are basically already factory overclocked, there are no reference cards
Unless you're getting a great deal on the 480, the 580 is to me the better choice
CrustyBritches
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(04-18-2017, 03:27 PM)

Originally Posted by ethomaz

Is it OC headroom or better cooler???

Like Caayn said... there is no reference RX 580... Guru3D can be using a RX 580 with a better cooler than reference RX 480.

Just took a peak. The Powercolor Red Devil RX 580 is using 8-pin+6-pin pci-e connectors as opposed to the Red Devil RX 480 that uses a single 8-pin pci-e connector.

Cooling is actually less robust than the Red Devil RX 480...


P.S.- They may have shortened the PCB, but I'm too lazy to bother. :P

More mature process and better power delivery seems to be what's enabling the higher clocks.

***EDIT*** Both the Asus and MSI cards Guru3d used are single 8-pin power connectors. Just more mature process from the looks of it.***EDIT***

Originally Posted by LilJoka

Where is the progress, for £270 i got a GTX 970 that gets 14k Graphics score in Firestrike, that was October 2014. Its overclocked, but still...

Agreed, but do consider you could create a scenario that really stresses the 970 compared to the RX 480. More or less, the RX 580 is like a GTX 1060, since it's a overclocked RX 480.
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Abilidebob
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(04-18-2017, 03:28 PM)
I really really really REALLY want to go AMD to take advantage of my FreeSync monitor, but they're not really helping. #WaitForVega I guess?
sirap
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(04-18-2017, 03:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Abilidebob

I really really really REALLY want to go AMD to take advantage of my FreeSync monitor, but they're not really helping. #WaitForVega I guess?

What's your resolution? If you score a cheap/used Fury, go for it. Runs most games on Very High at a solid 60 @ 1440p or compromise and go with 4K/30 (35 in my case to take advantage of that sweet Freesync)
Beerman462
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(04-18-2017, 03:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by sirap

What's your resolution? If you score a cheap/used Fury, go for it. Runs most games on Very High at a solid 60 @ 1440p or compromise and go with 4K/30 (35 in my case to take advantage of that sweet Freesync)

Would have to be super cheap to compromise for 4GB VRAM.
LordOfChaos
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(04-18-2017, 03:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by dr_rus

It will be called:


I'll never not see Prescription: Vega
TehGoomba
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(04-18-2017, 03:55 PM)
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Is there anything on the horizon from AMD to rival the 1080?
franklyshankly
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(04-18-2017, 03:58 PM)

Originally Posted by TehGoomba

Is there anything on the horizon from AMD to rival the 1080?

That's presumably what Vega will be.
Sad Affleck
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(04-18-2017, 03:59 PM)
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This seems like a completely pointless release.
CrustyBritches
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(04-18-2017, 04:02 PM)

Originally Posted by LordOfChaos

I'll never not see Prescription: Vega

Since this is GAF, let's "compound" your problems...
Renekton
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(04-18-2017, 04:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by CrustyBritches

Since this is GAF, let's "compound" your problems...

Take 3 Izuna Drops after each meal.
Pjsprojects
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(04-18-2017, 04:08 PM)

Originally Posted by hodgy100

A M D ffs!

I am not upgrading from my r9-290 for a very minimal perf boost i want you to release a £300 card that gives me a large performance increase so i can sit on that for another 3-4 years

Same boat,R9-290X so apart from more ram and better power/heat I struggle to see the upgrade for games.
gt86
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(04-18-2017, 04:12 PM)
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I just ordered the gigabyte aorus rx580, upgrading from a 660. I figured I would wait on 580 instead of getting the 480.
theultimo
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(04-18-2017, 04:17 PM)
Man i was expecting more, my 1060 is oced and was looking at this or a 1070.


I might just get a 1070 if Vega isn't coming out anytime soon.
jett
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(04-18-2017, 04:17 PM)
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I see no reason to move on from my 280x. Three years running now, aw yea.

No idea what's going to make me move on. Maybe by the time the PS5 hits and a card in the same price bracket shows up displaying an actual generational difference.
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dr_rus
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(04-18-2017, 04:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Delusibeta

It also sinks the "driver improvements make the 480 clearly better than the 1060" narrative.

This narrative was pretty much always BS.
Marmelade
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(04-18-2017, 04:22 PM)

Originally Posted by theultimo

Man i was expecting more, my 1060 is oced and was looking at this or a 1070.

I might just get a 1070 if Vega isn't coming out anytime soon.

The RX 580 was always supposed to be an overclocked 480, so there was absolutely no reason to expect it to perform close to a 1070

I'd suggest waiting for Vega and decide then
You already have a pretty good card, no need to rush
GameAddict411
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(04-18-2017, 04:24 PM)
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So it's on par with a GTX 1060, but sucks up much more power. Ouch. AMD really needs to start taking power consumption much more seriously. Pascal is so efficient that they managed to put these desktop GPUs into tiny laptop, while you need a massive laptop just to get an RX 470 from AMD(same TDP as a GTX 1070). I have a desktop GTX 1060 6GB in 13 inch laptop!
V_Arnold
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(04-18-2017, 04:25 PM)
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Wow, and here we go again with the 1060>480 bullshit. 20 percent, eh? "Lower watt, better price, better performance!". Indeed.
CrustyBritches
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(04-18-2017, 04:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Renekton

Take 3 Izuna Drops after each meal.

Jest Chillin
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(04-18-2017, 04:30 PM)
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This set of cards is a net positive for people like myself who are sitting on older cards (HD 6870 in my case) who are in need of an upgrade. Now I can go with an 8gb 580 or a 480 or move over to a 1060, for a reasonable price, depending on preference and see a nominal improvement across the board.

I know these threads skew towards high end enthusiasts, so I understand the feeling of underwhelm (or just whelm) but this is still good for a lot of people.

Originally Posted by dr_rus

It will be called:

Or Balrog in Japan.
Last edited by ethomaz; 04-18-2017 at 04:40 PM.
StereoVsn
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(04-18-2017, 04:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jest Chillin

This set of cards is a net positive for people like myself who are sitting on older cards (HD 6870 in my case) who are in need of an upgrade. Now I can go with an 8gb 580 or a 480 or move over to a 1060, for a reasonable price, depending on preference and see a nominal improvement across the board.

I know these threads skew towards high end enthusiasts, so I understand the feeling of underwhelm (or just whelm) but this is still good for a lot of people.

That was the case at 480/1060 release though. There haven't been significant improvements. Yes, certainly a 580 is an upgrade if you are on older platform but that was the narrative for 480/1060 as well.
franklyshankly
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(04-18-2017, 04:39 PM)

Originally Posted by V_Arnold

Wow, and here we go again with the 1060>480 bullshit. 20 percent, eh? "Lower watt, better price, better performance!". Indeed.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I doubt anyone is saying a 1060 is 20% faster than a 480. I do see in these benches, however, that the 1060 continues to beat both the 480 and 580 in many games, while the reverse is true in others. I would say they're pretty even, but the 1060 does it with less power draw, true.
rrs
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(04-18-2017, 04:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jest Chillin

This set of cards is a net positive for people like myself who are sitting on older cards (HD 6870 in my case) who are in need of an upgrade. Now I can go with an 8gb 580 or a 480 or move over to a 1060, for a reasonable price, depending on preference and see a nominal improvement across the board.

I know these threads skew towards high end enthusiasts, so I understand the feeling of underwhelm (or just whelm) but this is still good for a lot of people.

yeah, the cards are a nice break from the 970 holding the entire 200-300 market hostage. I'd be still on my 6870 if the card didn't decide to die at an untimely time
Possumowner
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(04-18-2017, 04:44 PM)
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I guess these cards will be good for 380 owners and below.Im not in need of a new card but I'm extremely interested to see what Amd have to offer with Vega in a couple of months
laxu
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(04-18-2017, 04:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jest Chillin

This set of cards is a net positive for people like myself who are sitting on older cards (HD 6870 in my case) who are in need of an upgrade. Now I can go with an 8gb 580 or a 480 or move over to a 1060, for a reasonable price, depending on preference and see a nominal improvement across the board.

I know these threads skew towards high end enthusiasts, so I understand the feeling of underwhelm (or just whelm) but this is still good for a lot of people.

Rebrands like these just serve to confuse customers. The 480 and 1060 were already really good options on a budget.
chaosblade
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(04-18-2017, 04:46 PM)
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Why didn't they go with faster memory? That would have made a noteworthy difference because the 480 is bandwidth starved already, and now the 580 will be too.

Why are they still needlessly complicating their product stack with a 4GB 580?
ZOONAMI
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(04-18-2017, 04:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by dr_rus

Vega will be Radeon RX Vega - as has been unveiled during GDC in March. It will take the place of Radeon R9 Fury and will as such be AMD's top end product, selling as 2-3 models (Vega, Vega Nano, cut down Vega, for example) above RX 580.



This will likely depend on its performance. If it'll be close to GTX1080 then it'll cost about the same as GTX1080 which is $500 right now. If it will beat it significantly then it'll be somewhere between $500 and $700 (1080Ti's price).

Odds of vega coming in stealth and beating a 1080ti performance wise with 16gb of hbm for $700?
ZOONAMI
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(04-18-2017, 04:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by laxu

Rebrands like these just serve to confuse customers. The 480 and 1060 were already really good options on a budget.

Yeah with the vega being different branding really no need at all to do a 500 series rebrand especially with NV still on 10xx series and not 11xx
V_Arnold
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(04-18-2017, 04:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by franklyshankly

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I doubt anyone is saying a 1060 is 20% faster than a 480. I do see in these benches, however, that the 1060 continues to beat both the 480 and 580 in many games, while the reverse is true in others. I would say they're pretty even, but the 1060 does it with less power draw, true.

And the 480 is cheaper. But you should have been here when they were both about to be released (and when they were released), because that was the sentiment around here. Forget the 480, 1060 is the better choice. Which is clearly debatable at worst, and simply false in many cases.
ZOONAMI
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(04-18-2017, 04:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by V_Arnold

And the 480 is cheaper. But you should have been here when they were both about to be released (and when they were released), because that was the sentiment around here. Forget the 480, 1060 is the better choice. Which is clearly debatable at worst, and simply false in many cases.

Yep, the loud and hot reference 290s also were shit on and plagued even the reputation of the aftermarket cards. Show me 290/390 benches now vs 780 and 780tis and it isn't even close. Even holds well against a 980.
Jest Chillin
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(04-18-2017, 04:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by StereoVsn

That was the case at 480/1060 release though. There haven't been significant improvements. Yes, certainly a 580 is an upgrade if you are on older platform but that was the narrative for 480/1060 as well.

The difference is that now we should, in theory, see 480's drop in price, even if only to clear stock. And am I mistaken or wasn't the 1060 a higher price originally?

Yes, ideally, it would be great to see a massive improvement at the same price. That's not always going to happen though and the alternative choice is going top tier cards for significantly more money (that many find well out of their price range) or hoping to get ahold of an used older generation top tier card for a good price that's still got some legs on it.

Personally I could never justify paying top tier, so I've always stayed on the higher end of the mid range cards and I've never had to pay more than $200 (always new purchases from a retailer). So while I acknowledge that $250 is reasonable, that's in comparison to much higher prices being asked for, for better cards. It's still quite a lot of money to a lot of people.

The options of comparable performance in the range of about ~$100 swing gives options. If I want to squeeze every frame out my games I can pay the higher price for a 580 or 1060, or if that difference won't matter much to me, I can get a still solid card for under $200 in a 480. Possibly significantly under $200 depending.

It's not about narrative. It's about average (and below average) users having more options for upgrade paths.
InsaneTiger
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(04-18-2017, 04:56 PM)
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So the $199 card?
btrboyev
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(04-18-2017, 04:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by SG-17

I just bought an ASUS DUAL RX 480 8GB two weeks ago.

Return it?
chaosblade
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(04-18-2017, 05:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by InsaneTiger

So the $199 card?

Is a waste and shouldn't even exist. Get the 8GB card if you get anything.

Unless you are the type that replaces your GPU annually, then you might be able to get away with it.
LordOfChaos
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(04-18-2017, 05:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by theultimo

Man i was expecting more, my 1060 is oced and was looking at this or a 1070.


I might just get a 1070 if Vega isn't coming out anytime soon.



The 580 was always promised as a slightly higher clocked 480, it was always going to be lateral from your 1060, not sure what would set the expectation otherwise.

Vega is what could possibly be an AMD upgrade from a 1060/480.
Cels
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(04-18-2017, 05:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by hodgy100

A M D ffs!

I am not upgrading from my r9-290 for a very minimal perf boost i want you to release a £300 card that gives me a large performance increase so i can sit on that for another 3-4 years

this card is not for you, wait for vega

that said 1070 will be a year old by the time vega is out
why did AMD wait so long?
InsaneTiger
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(04-18-2017, 05:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by chaosblade

Is a waste and shouldn't even exist. Get the 8GB card if you get anything.

Unless you are the type that replaces your GPU annually, then you might be able to get away with it.

Thanks

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