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Kelsdesu
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(04-21-2017, 02:03 AM)
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Ol' boy really played himself didn't he.
Wiped89
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(04-21-2017, 02:03 AM)

Originally Posted by Autoignition

I'm confused as to what your point is. You were saying that it's a shame that the US doesn't value free speech. I told you that the US's rights to free speech only covers US citizens. Assange is not a US citizen. He doesn't get covered by our free speech laws. And a person cannot actively engage in an attack on our democratic sovereignty and claim free speech, especially if they're not covered under the protections of our Constitution to begin with.

This is *ludicrous*. Americans really do have a torturously self important view of the world. So he has no protection from the US constitution, but is still punishable by US laws? How can both be true? Either he's not bound by either or he's protected by free speech and bound by laws too.

You honestly believe people outside the US have no right to free speech AND should also be extradited to the US to be punished for speaking freely?

18 year olds can drink in the UK. Why not extradite them all to the US and punish them for breaking US law?

AND the right to free speech is not the exclusive preserve of US citizens. The EU and the United Nations both enshrine it as a basic universal human right.

Unbelievable. Seriously.

Not saying I agree or disagree with what Assange did either way. Just can't let this post pass without comment.
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aeolist
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(04-21-2017, 02:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wiped89

This is *ludicrous*. Americans really do have a torturously self important view of the world. So he has no protection from the US constitution, but is still punishable by US laws? How can both be true? Either he's not bound by either or he's protected by free speech and bound by laws too.

You honestly believe people outside the US have no right to free speech AND should also be extradited to the US to be punished for speaking freely?

Unbelievable. Seriously.

Not saying I agree or disagree with what Assange did either way. Just can't let this post pass without comment.

that's also completely wrong, constitutional protections apply to non-US citizens when they are under US jurisdiction: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...utional-rights
Netherscourge
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(04-21-2017, 02:07 AM)
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Assange may just turn himself in.

If Russia decides he knows too much and the US can finally bring him in, Russia might try to silence him.

Remember that tweet Wikileaks made a few months ago about their staff being in perfect health? That was to deter any "sudden deaths" or "mysterious accidents".
Wiped89
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(04-21-2017, 02:12 AM)

Originally Posted by aeolist

that's also completely wrong, constitutional protections apply to non-US citizens when they are under US jurisdiction: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...utional-rights

I know. That's the point I'm making. The poster I quoted argued he didn't have the right to US constitution protections as a foreigner.
Cocaloch
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(04-21-2017, 02:17 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wiped89

This is *ludicrous*. Americans really do have a torturously self important view of the world. So he has no protection from the US constitution, but is still punishable by US laws? How can both be true? Either he's not bound by either or he's protected by free speech and bound by laws too.

You honestly believe people outside the US have no right to free speech AND should also be extradited to the US to be punished for speaking freely?

18 year olds can drink in the UK. Why not extradite them all to the US and punish them for breaking US law?

AND the right to free speech is not the exclusive preserve of US citizens. The EU and the United Nations both enshrine it as a basic universal human right.

Unbelievable. Seriously.

Not saying I agree or disagree with what Assange did either way. Just can't let this post pass without comment.

This thread certainly involves a lot of interesting jurisprudence.
Jumeira
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(04-21-2017, 02:20 AM)
Isn't Assange suffering from mental health issues?
Tallshortman
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(04-21-2017, 02:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wiped89

This is *ludicrous*. Americans really do have a torturously self important view of the world. So he has no protection from the US constitution, but is still punishable by US laws? How can both be true? Either he's not bound by either or he's protected by free speech and bound by laws too.

You honestly believe people outside the US have no right to free speech AND should also be extradited to the US to be punished for speaking freely?

18 year olds can drink in the UK. Why not extradite them all to the US and punish them for breaking US law?

AND the right to free speech is not the exclusive preserve of US citizens. The EU and the United Nations both enshrine it as a basic universal human right.

Unbelievable. Seriously.

Not saying I agree or disagree with what Assange did either way. Just can't let this post pass without comment.

You don't seem to actually have much of a grasp of US law. None of your analogies even make sense.
Autoignition
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(04-21-2017, 02:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wiped89

This is *ludicrous*. Americans really do have a torturously self important view of the world. So he has no protection from the US constitution, but is still punishable by US laws? How can both be true? Either he's not bound by either or he's protected by free speech and bound by laws too.

You honestly believe people outside the US have no right to free speech AND should also be extradited to the US to be punished for speaking freely?

18 year olds can drink in the UK. Why not extradite them all to the US and punish them for breaking US law?

AND the right to free speech is not the exclusive preserve of US citizens. The EU and the United Nations both enshrine it as a basic universal human right.

Unbelievable. Seriously.

Not saying I agree or disagree with what Assange did either way. Just can't let this post pass without comment.

lmao what is this post even

Assange helped spearhead an attack on US sovereignty. I may have been wrong about Constitutional habeas corpus (which I'll own to; I can admit when I'm wrong), but the idea that a person can conspire and help conduct an attack against the US and the US should just take it because of some philosophical global ideal of free speech is absurdity of the highest degree.
Chumley
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(04-21-2017, 02:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Wiped89

This is *ludicrous*. Americans really do have a torturously self important view of the world. So he has no protection from the US constitution, but is still punishable by US laws? How can both be true? Either he's not bound by either or he's protected by free speech and bound by laws too.

You honestly believe people outside the US have no right to free speech AND should also be extradited to the US to be punished for speaking freely?

18 year olds can drink in the UK. Why not extradite them all to the US and punish them for breaking US law?

AND the right to free speech is not the exclusive preserve of US citizens. The EU and the United Nations both enshrine it as a basic universal human right.

Unbelievable. Seriously.

Not saying I agree or disagree with what Assange did either way. Just can't let this post pass without comment.

JetBlackPanda
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(04-21-2017, 02:34 AM)
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So what they want to shut him up or what? I'm sure he could really share some stuff.
Herr Schwarz
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(04-21-2017, 02:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Jumeira

Isn't Assange suffering from mental health issues?

I'm kind of expecting Trump to do that too when it comes to it. When justice finally calls on him.

Like he starts pretending he has dementia or some shit, and he's all like "I don't know where am I where am I?! It was all my advisers! It wasn't me, I didn't know! Where am I?"
Autoignition
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(04-21-2017, 02:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Herr Schwarz

I'm kind of expecting Trump to do that too when it comes to it. When justice finally calls on him.

Like he starts pretending he has dementia or some shit, and he's all like "I don't know where am I where am I?! It was all my advisers! It wasn't me, I didn't know! Where am I?"

Pretending?
samoscratch
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(04-21-2017, 02:42 AM)
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Something big is happening behind the scenes I feel:

Nunes, Chaffetz now lead justice department official stepping down next month (trump russia probe)
Herr Schwarz
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(04-21-2017, 02:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by Autoignition

Pretending?

I can see it now he walks into the court room with his pants round his ankles with his dick hanging out over the waistband of his white y-fronts.

"Where am I? Vote Trump everyone!"
Autoignition
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(04-21-2017, 02:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Herr Schwarz

I can see it now he walks into the court room with his pants round his ankles with his dick hanging out over the waistband of his white y-fronts.

"Where am I? Vote Trump everyone!"

... Man, I was eating.
deadlast
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(04-21-2017, 02:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by samoscratch

Something big is happening behind the scenes I feel:

Nunes, Chaffetz now lead justice department official stepping down next month (trump russia probe)

I just hope everything goes down before the Orange one starts a war to take eyes off him.
JetBlackPanda
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(04-21-2017, 02:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by samoscratch

Something big is happening behind the scenes I feel:

Nunes, Chaffetz now lead justice department official stepping down next month (trump russia probe)

The last time this stuff was hitting the news hard we started launching tomohawks.

This shit is all connected
DeviantBoi
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(04-21-2017, 02:47 AM)
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Maybe he has knowledge of collusion and they want to stick him in one of those black sites and is never heard of again?
Leona Lewis
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(04-21-2017, 02:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by samoscratch

Something big is happening behind the scenes I feel:

Nunes, Chaffetz now lead justice department official stepping down next month (trump russia probe)

Isn't Chaffetz stepping down more a reflection of the fact that the worst place for any Republican with national aspirations is in the syphilitic cavern known as the House?
elrechazado
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(04-21-2017, 02:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Frozenprince

Free speech doesn't mean what y'all think it means.

It means you cannot be arrested, for your words being critical of government.

Assange is leaking international secrets and spreading sedition.

Totally different things.

You are mistaken. Try reading some law in the area, such as the Pentagon papers case. You are making an opinion judgement based on your thoughts about the leaked, not any actual legal distinction.
skullmuffins
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(04-21-2017, 02:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Jumeira

Isn't Assange suffering from mental health issues?

Only self-inflicted ones from confining himself to the embassy for years.
Elfforkusu
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(04-21-2017, 02:55 AM)
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I think it's entirely possible to disagree with what Assange did and still argue that we're a freer society if people are allowed to do that.

So, not a fan!
samoscratch
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(04-21-2017, 02:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Leona Lewis

Isn't Chaffetz stepping down more a reflection of the fact that the worst place for any Republican with national aspirations is in the syphilitic cavern known as the House?

Maybe, but I was kind of surprised not only at the announcement of him stepping down but that he wouldn't finish his term, so quickly out of seemingly nowhere.

I get a mental image of cockroaches scurring and I'm wondering what the real reason could be, not convinced it's because of what you mentioned but who the hell knows..
jellies_two
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(04-21-2017, 02:57 AM)

Originally Posted by samoscratch

Something big is happening behind the scenes I feel:

Nunes, Chaffetz now lead justice department official stepping down next month (trump russia probe)

Yeah I agree the pile of unresolved mysteries grows by the day and the pile of resolved ones remains small and isn't growing. It is all really weird

Why did trump block off pedestrian access outside the whitehouse?
Why did shadow brokers reappear after "retiring" when trump got elected?
What is going on with Exxon seeking exemptions to deal with rosneft, why is McCain shocked at this?
What is chaffetz up to?
Why was carter page giving ridiculous interviews on the tv?
What is Sessions up to with the Assange arrest warrant?
Why fire AGs yet appoint none of your own?
What is AG schneiderman got cooking?
How long can Comey work away in silence while everything gets messier?

Either it's all a bunch of hot air, or something snaps into the open and raises expectations of more to come, sky high.
KHarvey16
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(04-21-2017, 03:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Elfforkusu

I think it's entirely possible to disagree with what Assange did and still argue that we're a freer society if people are allowed to do that.

So, not a fan!

He is not being charged for publishing, but because they have evidence he collaborated with Snowden.
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(04-21-2017, 03:08 AM)
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Attorney General Jeff Sessions said at a news conference Thursday that Assange's arrest is a "priority."

"We are going to step up our effort and already are stepping up our efforts on all leaks," he said. "This is a matter that's gone beyond anything I'm aware of. We have professionals that have been in the security business of the United States for many years that are shocked by the number of leaks and some of them are quite serious. So yes, it is a priority. We've already begun to step up our efforts and whenever a case can be made, we will seek to put some people in jail.

#allleaksmatter

The Trump admin is really tying itself up into pretzels over this. Seems like they're going after Assange as a way to settle old scores and seem tough on Russia at the same time. I fully recognize that he is unscrupulous and will make any alliance he can in order to oppose what he sees as Western imperialism, but I'm also not cheering for the Trump administration to be able to get their hands on him. Assange is often mercenary and irresponsible in how he releases material, but I'm not going to take the side of an administration that acts authoritarian and has a lot of secrets that it would like to keep.

Originally Posted by Jumeira

Isn't Assange suffering from mental health issues?

If you listen to the interview with him on Intercepted, he sounds combative, irrational, and at least a little bit desperate, even though the Intercept is generally friendly to him.
Leona Lewis
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(04-21-2017, 03:10 AM)
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jetsetrez
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(04-21-2017, 03:20 AM)
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Please, Assange, please leak anything you have on Trump.
DrROBschiz
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(04-21-2017, 03:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by KHarvey16

He is not being charged for publishing, but because they have evidence he collaborated with Snowden.

Collaborated with Snowden?

holy shit

Whats our updated thoughts on Snowden these days
antonz
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(04-21-2017, 03:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by DrROBschiz

Collaborated with Snowden?

holy shit

Whats our updated thoughts on Snowden these days

If the documents are real then it would be reasonable to ponder the idea that Snowden himself could be a Russian Operative who was tasked with getting into the NSA.

The FSB was communicating with Ecuador on "matters of bilateral cooperation" before Snowden took the documents. Ecuador was supposed to be where Snowden snuck off too before everything got screwed up and he was shuffled off to Russia instead
DrROBschiz
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(04-21-2017, 03:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by antonz

If the documents are real then it would be reasonable to ponder the idea that Snowden himself could be a Russian Operative who was tasked with getting into the NSA.

The FSB was communicating with Ecuador on "matters of bilateral cooperation" before Snowden took the documents. Ecuador was supposed to be where Snowden snuck off too before everything got screwed up and he was shuffled off to Russia instead

him ending up seeking refuge in Russia definitely doesnt seem like a coincidence these days with everything going on

every damn thing ties back to Russia... but why

have they been building up to this for this fucking long? Putin has wanted the US off his back for a long ass time apparently
BoogieWoogie
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Originally Posted by jetsetrez

Please, Assange, please leak anything you have on Trump.

If they don't release anything on Trump, then you know saying Assange will be arrested is all a ploy between Trump and Putin.
superdeluxe
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(04-21-2017, 03:56 AM)
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Good. At a local town hall my local rep said Wikileaks is basically a state sponsored intelligence agency of Russias
duckroll
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(04-21-2017, 03:58 AM)
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Is the American government right now like a hydra whose heads are trying to devour each other?
Sinfamy
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(04-21-2017, 04:01 AM)
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People celebrating this?
Gross.
Pedrito
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(04-21-2017, 04:01 AM)
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It's been a tough couple of weeks for Trump supporters' heroes.

Apparently, Le Pen and Mélenchon promised to give Assange asylum/citizenship if they win the presidency:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/855208632417345536

The horseshoe theory at play.
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(04-21-2017, 04:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by antonz

If the documents are real then it would be reasonable to ponder the idea that Snowden himself could be a Russian Operative who was tasked with getting into the NSA.

The FSB was communicating with Ecuador on "matters of bilateral cooperation" before Snowden took the documents. Ecuador was supposed to be where Snowden snuck off too before everything got screwed up and he was shuffled off to Russia instead

Who is talking about these documents?

Originally Posted by Pedrito

It's been a tough couple of weeks for Trump supporters' heroes.

Apparently, Le Pen and Melanchon promised to give Assange asylum/citizenship if they win the presidency:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/855208632417345536

The horseshoe theory at play.

Who is funding Melenchon?
shira
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(04-21-2017, 04:02 AM)
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cell next to hilary

#lockemup
MrSaturn99
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(04-21-2017, 04:02 AM)
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Yeeessss
Stinkles
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(04-21-2017, 04:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sinfamy

People celebrating this?
Gross.

Read more facts


Whatever you thought WikiLeaks and assange were - they haven't been for years. It's not even subtle.
Elfforkusu
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(04-21-2017, 04:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by KHarvey16

He is not being charged for publishing, but because they have evidence he collaborated with Snowden.

"collaborated with Snowden"

wtf? I haven't been keeping up with the fictional narratives, have we progressed to the point where we're claiming Snowden was obviously a Russian operative the whole time (nevermind that the intelligence community has had 4 years to come up with a convincing story that the truth is anything other than what was initially portrayed...)

Originally Posted by antonz

If the documents are real then it would be reasonable to ponder the idea that Snowden himself could be a Russian Operative who was tasked with getting into the NSA.

The FSB was communicating with Ecuador on "matters of bilateral cooperation" before Snowden took the documents. Ecuador was supposed to be where Snowden snuck off too before everything got screwed up and he was shuffled off to Russia instead

:lol, this reads like pizzagate
jiji
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Seems Melenchon is pro-Putin. I thought his late-game, Bernie-like rise seemed suspicious.

http://www.liberation.fr/planete/201...outine_1435136
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sidential-race
https://qz.com/961177/french-electio...ladimir-putin/

Putin’s fortunes have risen in France amid the collapse in the mainstream Socialist vote and a late campaign surge by the radical left rabble-rouser Melenchon. A fiery demagogue in the communist tradition, Melenchon, is staunchly anti-American, detests the EU and globalization, and heavily favors Russia on geopolitical issues like the Ukraine crisis. He also opposes what he calls “illegal” sanctions against annexation of the Crimea.

duckroll
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(04-21-2017, 04:10 AM)
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Illegal sanctions? Really?
OG Shaka Zulu
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(04-21-2017, 04:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by QuantumBro

Just like Dylan Roof.

Yoooooo. Shit, if he pardoned Roof...
Dopus
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(04-21-2017, 04:12 AM)
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Originally Posted by Stinkles

Read more facts


Whatever you thought WikiLeaks and assange were - they haven't been for years. It's not even subtle.

There aren't a lot of facts here. There are a lot of opinions.

It being an FSB front is one. Assange helping Snowden another. Whatever your opinion on the man or the organisation, you shouldn't throw the word 'fact' around when we're really not presented with anything. The official line right now is that a third party was provided documents by Russian intelligence services and these were subsequently given to Wikileaks who the state deems as a nonstate actor. Assange has stated that their source wasn't connected in any way to the Russian intelligence services. Beyond that, you can take issue with timings of releases but we've not had proof of anything.
TatorTots
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(04-21-2017, 04:13 AM)
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Should of happened years back. Surprised it is happening under a Trump administration.
Ventrue
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(04-21-2017, 04:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by DrROBschiz

him ending up seeking refuge in Russia definitely doesnt seem like a coincidence these days with everything going on

every damn thing ties back to Russia... but why

have they been building up to this for this fucking long? Putin has wanted the US off his back for a long ass time apparently

2Smashed4U
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(04-21-2017, 04:18 AM)

Originally Posted by jorma

It's not bizarre considering Sweden had already done exactly that.

I'm guessing this is surfacing now because Sweden is going to drop the charges and they wont get him that way.
This case should have been dismissed years ago, there's literally no case.

Oh, there's no case huh?

And you know this how?
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Originally Posted by OG Shaka Zulu

Yoooooo. Shit, if he pardoned Roof...

Oh come on. He's not going to pardon Dylan Roof. He's also not going to eat a baby televised live from the Oval Office.

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